Half of the country will be fine with the economy staying in the dumpster till after November 3rd. That half doesn't care if the numbers on any charts are correct or real, or if people live or die, as long as they benefit.

I dunno if it's such a good idea to politicize it, though. I mean pick a strategy and go with it. Either do nothing about it and let herd immunity take place (if one is actually immune after one gets it - don't know if that's been proven yet) and accept the collateral damage (deaths, burned out healthcare workers, permanent health issues among many people, etc. etc. etc.), or just shut the heck down and let the curve fall like other countries have. Shutting down for awhile, killing the economy and then starting up before the cases have come down enough just amounts in more illness and a longer period of time where the economy will suffer... like a lose lose situation. IMHO.

But everything's so darn political these days I guess you can't escape it, so you will have people all over the place depending on what political brand they choose to follow. Which is ridiculous when you think of it.

I am personally worried about the
“Long term precedent”
of what has happened in the last five months.

The situation January 1st was very different:
record low unemployment, record high GDP.

Then a new virus came out of a foreign hostile country with a much delayed and lied about warning,
and there is a treaty requiring near instant warning.

Now the situation in the USA is turned around:
high unemployment, vast new money printing, widespread mental health issues, riots in inner cities, etc.

If this virus succeeds in changing an election,
EXPECT IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN AND AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.

Most countries have signed a treaty prohibiting bio-warfare.

Bio-warfare is not new. Ghengis Khan used it extensively.

Killing 30 million innocent people and trying to keep it quiet is also not new:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1127087/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

I suppose I'd have to be included in the doom and gloom club mentioned above.
There is only so much life support the economy can take, for over a year now it's been limping along on a diet of pumped sugar. Ignore corona virus and abuse the populace by not requiring basic health measures, get your supporters (lab rats?) exposed in rallys and self gratifying events where you can make money selling shirts and hats alongside rose colored glasses.
How long before the flush starts? Or, has it......

1. If they are indeed a hostile country, then its logical to assume, unless they are oblivious and unwise, they also consider us then a "hostile" country
2. If they also practice what we preach, meaning 'China First", aren't we being rather inept to think they wouldn't obfuscate, thereby weakening their ability to get in front of other countries in fighting the virus?
3. Regarding "delay", that is probably the case, still subjective a bit, but couldn't they use the same excuse as the climate deniers to hide behind, "where's the proof?"
4. Regarding "lie", the validity of that accusation, and the fact US currently not having exactly clean hands on that shortcoming, left the barn long ago
5. On following/honoring treaties, see #4 above.

Sounds to me more like sour grapes that your adversary didn't tell you your kidney is hanging out in a sword fight, or Japan should have warned the US about a Surprise attack.

What we didn't do, at our own over confident inept choosing with Japan and Covid, are painfully obvious to me.

JMHO, but a reasonable assertion would be that, in the US, there should have been a cohesive effort to get the entire country doing the same thing so that the efforts would have been focused properly, to get the curve under control. Even as much of a train wreck that most parts of Europe were, they have still managed to get it under control, where they US has started spiking all over again.



If you look at the graphs in the article below, it's obvious that some states have done better than others, and now would be the time to try to get the states that are out of control to look at how the successful states have done it and get them working on it. It's looking like many areas are going to have to start all over again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...gfx-death-tracker%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

There is a very large difference in fatalities per confirmed case:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/

What is Utah doing so much better?

Why has Kentucky done better than Indiana,
but worse than Tennessee?

Since 45% of total Covid-19 deaths in the USA has occurred in the 0.6% of the population that lives in nursing homes and assisted living, a good part of the answer lies in how a state protected those infirm elderly.

Part of the answer lies in how hospital ICU’s treated patients.

U of S Florida and U of Arizona find some compounds that may treat Covid-19

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-compounds-halt-sars-cov-replication-key.html

Sample quote

Boceprevir, a drug to treat Hepatitis C, is the only one of the four compounds already approved by the FDA. Its effective dose, safety profile, formulation and how the body processes the drug (pharmacokinetics) are already known, which would greatly speed up the steps needed to get boceprevir to clinical trials for COVID-19, Dr. Chen said.

GC-376, an investigational veterinary drug for a deadly strain of coronavirus in cats, which causes feline infectious peritonitis. This agent was the most potent inhibitor of the Mpro enzyme in biochemical tests, Dr. Chen said, but before human trials could begin it would need to be tested in animal models of SARS-CoV-2.

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Covid lasts for more than 2 months in some.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-months-infection-covid-patients-illness.html

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As of early July 6, there have been nearly 2.9 million confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the United States, according to Johns Hopkins University's oft-used tracker. Of those, 906,763—about 31%—are listed as "recovered." But recovery isn't the same for everyone. The World Health Organization reports the median time for recovery is up to two weeks for those with mild cases, while those with more severe cases can take up to six weeks for symptoms to resolve.

Some people, however, say they continue to experience symptoms months after infection. In doctor visits and on social media groups, a growing number of patients report lingering symptoms ranging from mild issues, such as continued loss of taste or smell, to more serious ones, such as heart palpitations, chest pain, shortness of breath, extreme fatigue, cognitive difficulties or recurring fevers. Whether these symptoms eventually resolve or whether they signal permanent damage from the virus remains unknown.

"It has been just six months since the virus was detected in China, so nobody can tell you for sure if these are short-term or long-term complications," said Dr. Samer Kottiech, a cardiologist in New York City who estimates 90% of his patients who come in after COVID-19 infections experience prolonged symptoms.

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Regeneron to test their manufactured antibodies in 2000 people.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-regeneron-covid-treatment-stage-trials.html

The largest “retrospective” analysis of Hydroxychloroquine
(not a “gold standard” double blind, placebo controlled, clinical trial)
in the Henry Ford System’s 6 Hospitals in Detroit
shows that giving the drug by itself to patients
who were 56% African-American
and without severe prior heart conditions
cuts the fatality rate in half.

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

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In a large-scale retrospective analysis of 2,541 patients hospitalized between March 10 and May 2, 2020 across the system’s six hospitals, the study found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine alone died compared to 26.4% not treated with hydroxychloroquine.
None of the patients had documented serious heart abnormalities;
however, patients were monitored for a heart condition routinely pointed to as a reason to avoid the drug as a treatment for COVID-19.

The study was published today in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases,
the peer-reviewed, open-access online publication of the International Society of Infectious Diseases (ISID.org).

Patients treated with hydroxychloroquine at Henry Ford met specific protocol criteria as outlined by the hospital system’s Division of Infectious Diseases.

The vast majority received the drug soon after admission;
82% within 24 hours and 91% within 48 hours of admission.
All patients in the study were 18 or over with a median age of 64 years;
51% were men and
56% African American.

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Most of the previous published news about Hydroxychloroquine were
“Meta-analysies”
that tried to use computer techniques to combine
several smaller studies run by entirely different researchers who used different guidelines.

Massive EU supercomputer search ID’s
Raloxifene,
a common already FDA approved cheap generic drug,
as potentially blocking Covid-19 virus replication.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-osteoporosis-drug-potential-covid-.html

Sample quote

The European Commission press release adds:
"The consortium has already virtually tested 400 000 molecules using its supercomputers. 7 000 molecules were preselected and further tested 'in vitro'.

Raloxifene emerged as a promising molecule: according to the project, it could be effective in blocking the replication of the virus in cells, and could thus hold up the progression of the disease."

According to the project partners, Raloxifene "is well-tolerated with a known safety profile," as explained in a press release on the project website. The EXSCALATE4CoV consortium is in discussions with the European Medicines Agency for establishing "the fastest path to clinical trials in humans."

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Claim from UC Davis that wearing a mask cuts wearer’s risk of Covid-19 maybe 65%

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-mask-percent.html

Note the earlier post about estimations from USS Theodore Rooseveldt

How older people can fight ill effects of social isolation

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-social-isolation-covid-pandemic-hidden.html

I thought they should have added signing onto the Moparts "current Events" forum would make one be grateful for social isolation.

Perhaps Moparts should start a outreach program where members would go and drive an older person around in a classic mopar over scenic roads?

Maybe even offer to take them to a drag strip and do a quartermile pass?

Taking all safety precautions of course,
or offering all safety precautions,
and letting the older person choose.

At what age did former president G. H. W. Bush parachute?

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87355

Wear a N95 argument

Spanish researching treatment that they claim reduces fatalities by 70%

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-covid-treatment-decreases-mortality.html

Covid-19 in prisons around 550% higher than general population

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-covid-cases-deaths-federal-state.html