318 ideas
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06/17/20 05:55 PM
06/17/20 05:55 PM
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volaredon
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I have a 78 Fury 2 door hardtop, 53k original miles, I'm the 2nd owner, have had the car since 2007 when I got it with 38k. 904, 2.76 rear. stone, dead stock. only mod is true duals, 2-1/4" all the way back. 318 2 bbl, still has (surprisingly) functional Lean Burn in place. carb is Holley 2280 2 barrel, as came original. I want to wake it up a bit, improve off the line pep. I have on hand a set of '302 heads, fresh from the machine shop. the "heart chamber" ones. currently a slug on takeoff but loves to cruise at 70 MPH. I also have a stock 360 cam, almost dead ringer for a COMP 252. I have had stock 318s in other vehicles, with the same gearing that seemed more peppy. I also have a few aftermarket alum. dual plane intakes. Among them a Performer (not "RPM") and an Offenhauser. Want to retain the original RV2 air compressor. and I have a few different TQs and AFB/Edelbrocks, among those a 500 CFM and a 600 (625?) I am not saying "I have to" run that cam, but an identical cam really woke up my former 83 D250's 318. but would like to utilize other of what I have on hand.
I did put a T chain (Edelbrock true roller) on about 8-10K ago because I was "in there anyway" only 4 bolts away from a T chain in replacing the original water pump. T chain was a "just because" replacement. Lean Burn WILL go away, I have a few stock aftermarket (brand new) 4 pin Mopar ECU's, but not "against" trying an HEI as long as I have to swap "something else" in place of the Lean Burn brain and distributor. (I think I have a smallblock electronic distributor or 3 around here still)
3 season daily driver/cruiser. I wouldn't be against buying a different cam, but among the rest of my stash I want to "use what I have already" if at all possible. NOT interested in any sort of EFI conversion. Never was, never gonna be a "race car". but I want to be able to let my wife take it to work when she wants..... as she sometimes does now. would a COMP 260 be too "big" in a stock 318 with the '302 heads? can put my hands on one of those readily as well.....
thoughts? Suggestions? thinking of doing the Power Tour this year, did so in this car as it presently sits/ in both '09 and '10. would like "improvements" in place by then (end of Aug)
for our purposes and considering its low orig miles I am content with keeping this 318 in place. no engine swaps.
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Re: 318 ideas
[Re: volaredon]
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06/17/20 06:43 PM
06/17/20 06:43 PM
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larrymopar360
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Sure would hate to pull the heads on that original low miles good running and bullet proof 318. I'm sure compression is hurting performance some though. I don't think just a intake/four barrel swap alone is going to breath enough.
Do you think a gear swap to 3.2's would awaken it enough for you, and still keep the rpm's low enough for highway runs for you? I know, not really what you're asking.
Facts are stubborn things.
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Re: 318 ideas
[Re: volaredon]
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06/17/20 07:19 PM
06/17/20 07:19 PM
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fast68plymouth
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I’m not sure a set of unmodified 302’s are worth the effort.
Maybe the 302’s with a little tweaking. Spring upgrade Isky 256/262-110 cam Std Performer
2.94 or 3.23 gears
Factory high stall converter(if it doesn’t have one now)
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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Re: 318 ideas
[Re: volaredon]
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06/18/20 09:41 AM
06/18/20 09:41 AM
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most of the guys pooh poohing the 302 heads have never run the 302 heads. You can take that advice if you want to.
I don't generally get too wild with my 318's, especially if the wife wants to be able to just jump in it and go. So the stock 340 cam, or a close equivalent, is about as crazy as I get there. Put one in my 87 roller 318 and it was a nice improvement. Your 302 heads are fresh and done, just run them.
Since you want to keep the RV 2, the only non-stock 4bbl intake I know of that fits the RV2 and has the mounting boss for the brace is the Performer, which you already have. Run it.
Ran the MP electronic ignition kit in it as well.
I pretty much ran the combo above with an Edelbrock 1406 carb for about 100k miles and it was nice, mid 20's mpg if I drove reasonable (2.94 Sg rear, A833 trans, P255/60r15 rear tires, 87 Diplomat). Tried it with a 1407 and while the top speed went up the MPG went down. I went back to the smaller carb and this was my daily driver 75 miles each way to work, 5 days a week plus I taught my daughter to drive with it.
Nice balanced package with more fun but not temperamental at all.
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Re: 318 ideas
[Re: volaredon]
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06/18/20 04:32 PM
06/18/20 04:32 PM
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Scott Carl
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I'm running a 74 .060" over block, decked for square, stock heads, Comp cam an springs; cant find the specs but billed as a stock 340/360 unit. Dual exhaust through late(r) model Magnum manifolds. A big block AVS, 600 cfm, I am told, sits on cast iron 273 4bbl intake that has been benchtop machined, (pronounced: hacked) into a single plenum. It was free;it works LOL. No dyno yet but it really woke that 318 up in the Challenger
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Re: 318 ideas
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06/18/20 08:25 PM
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volaredon
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Ditch the lean burn, good ignition with a recurved distributor, maybe advance that 360 cam a few degrees or talk to fast68plymouth about the cam he recommended. If you have a well sorted TQ, put that on a Performer but that Edelbrock 600 would work too. The TQ will be more fuel mileage friendly IMHO.
I would think a Magnum head would be the better stock head but would need different pushrods I think. Fast68plymouth again would be the guy to ask.
An A500 or A518 overdrive with a 3.91 would give it the biggest kick in the pants even as it is. If overdrive isn't an option, a 3.23 gear will wake it up considerably compared to the 2.76 and still keep up with traffic.
Kevin I've done magnum head swaps on a couple of 318s before, yes that does help. But I don't have any. I have these 302s I always had heard they were the best traditional LA heads for a 318. No? Years ago I had an 88 d100 with a TBI 318 that had those heads on it. That was a roller cam version. After fighting the TBI on that pos I still couldn't top 8 mpg. And that's also after I swapped in an a 518 in place of the original 3 speed auto (999 I think it was? I've also had a 85 diplomat with a roller 318 and those heads but carbd that car ran better than this fury and doubled the mileage of the 88 I rebuilt the engine in that 88 and discovered the original heads were cracked, this was around 1995, I couldn't find a set of 302s back then to save my life. I finally did in a junkyard and paid a ridiculous amount of money for them at the time. Even with a complete rebuild (stock because of the TBI computer) still an 8mpg truck. I've had 360 dually that was better than that. Again I blame the blasted TBI setup for that.
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