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Re: Weiand P3690982 6bbl intake HAS ARRIVED! [Re: BiomedTechGuy] #2780136
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What is this BME block? Is that Bill Miller Engr.?
Maybe it is time for a 400 stroker motor with your top end work scope twocents


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Re: Weiand P3690982 6bbl intake HAS ARRIVED! [Re: Cab_Burge] #2780179
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Thanks for the replies...
I had tortured my mind over the Weiand intake for at least a year, since I saw one with the F&B direct port injection 3x2 setup. I asked on this forum if the Weiand would fit, and was told in 2 separate posts by the same guy that his friend he used to go to the track with had a 440, 70 Roadrunner, N96, and it fit, even with the airbox, but the airbox had to be trimmed.
So I bought one, and I'm happy to say it's a nice example of that intake, but the damn thing doesn't fit under my N96 hood.
Now I got the hood a few years ago from AMD, and it's been paint matched perfectly to my car. So I was expecting it to fit.
I'm going to have a QA1 K-member and front suspension system installed starting June 10th, along with a good bit of other parts and systems. I would consider ALL options related to that, like spacers, to raise the body relative to the engine, but I think to get 4" additional clearance is going to cause other problems that would make it a bad choice.
I want the N96 setup, and the Weiand intake, but the only way I can think to achieve that would be to raise the power bulge in my hood.
I'm open to suggestions.
Yes, the BME aluminum block is Bill Mitchell and the new blocks that they started making late 2019.

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Re: Weiand P3690982 6bbl intake HAS ARRIVED! [Re: BiomedTechGuy] #2780512
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So I've considered my options, and I am looking into a "raised cowl" style 70 Roadrunner hood. Basically a 70 style power bulge hood with a flat top cowl, and insert the square Air Grabber door into it in a similar manner as the N96 hood. I'm looking for the cowl or power bulge to be wide enough to accommodate the factory oval air filter, and I will likely use an A12 fresh air base and hood seal to make it functional.

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..bill MITCHELL

...regarding the intake,if cost is no object what about talking to Hogan to build you one?

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Originally Posted by 605ply


..bill MITCHELL

...regarding the intake,if cost is no object what about talking to Hogan to build you one?


Now what would make you think $$$MONEY$$$ was no object,,,,EH???


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Re: Weiand P3690982 6bbl intake HAS ARRIVED! [Re: 605ply] #2780865
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Originally Posted by 605ply


..bill MITCHELL

...regarding the intake,if cost is no object what about talking to Hogan to build you one?

Yes, Bill Mitchell, auto complete strikes again, randomly sometimes it seems.
Who is Hogan? and I am NOT the "money no object" guy, but if a part, goal, or whatever is "the thing" I can rise to the occasion...

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Re: Weiand P3690982 6bbl intake HAS ARRIVED! [Re: 605ply] #2780890
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Thanks. I've seen those before. That's not the theme or the direction I am going for.
A very long story short, I want my V-code Roadrunner to be a serious kick ass street and track car. I realize that when your goals are street and track, that both venues will be compromised. One thing that I absolutely will NOT EVER consider is ANY intake that isn't a "3x2" something. My intake choices are the aluminum dual plane Edelbrock/Chrysler 6bbl I have now, the Weiand intake that I have just test fitted, or the Indy ModMan rectangular aluminum box.
Honestly, the ModMan intake would get me a single plane AND fit under my current N96 hood, but it's an ugly intake IMO.
I really want to run the Weiand. I am going to see how my current motor and the Weiand pair up, but I may not install the Weiand "permanently" until I get it opened up to Max Wedge ports for the TrickFlow 270s on the 540 stroker. That would be when I need a new hood. OTOH I may really like the way my current warmed over 440 runs with it, so that may step up the timeline for the new hood.
If I ever want more flow, performance, and reliability than I get with the Promax modded Holley carbs, I'll go to the F&B 3x2 direct port injection system. I can't see jumping straight to the F&B, BUT that may make sense IF the much shorter throttle bodies can fit under my CURRENT hood. More measuring to do....

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I built a low deck pump gas 400 stroker(511 C.I.) low compression six pack motor to race the black guys on the streets in Los Angles, I put it in a 1971 Duster that ended up weighing 3450 Lbs. with me in it and it ran 10.30s with the air cleaners on (stack two elements on top of each other up) through the full 3.0 inch exhaust hooked up exiting at the rear bumper boogie devil It was fun up
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Re: 540 aluminum block, MUST have 3x2bbl, fit 70 N96 Air Grabber [Re: GomangoCuda] #2781372
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@GomangoCuda, as it turns out, that may be the ONLY way I can use the Weiand 6bbl intake and my N96 hood. I'm going to see if I can get the height above the intake that the shorter throttle bodies and top plate take up, and see if there is a chance that will also allow some kind of air filter.
At minimum, I need to be able to use the A12 fresh air base and rubber hood seal I have in lieu of the N96 airbox and the metal oval air cleaner setup.
The answer begins with the height of the TBs, so I'll see if Bruce at F&B can give me that measurement.
You had the best idea regarding fit. By the time I buy a good quality fiberglass hood and have it painted, I may be better off spending the appx $4K on the F&B EFI and controller IF I can use my current hood, and sell my Edelbrock/Chrysler aluminum 6bbl intake and Promax modded Holley carbs. That combination of hood, paint, and selling the carbs and intake would be close to the cost of the F&B setup.

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Actually I doubt that an A12 aircleaner will ever fit under any factory hood with the weiand intake no matter how short the throttle bodies are. The A12 base is the tallest of all the available air cleaners. It Is not dropped like all the rest. I have my doubts about fitting any kind of factory style air cleaner under your factory hood. Might not even fit with no air cleaner. Close the hood slowly. I have one of these intakes sitting on a shelf. Only place it will fit with a factory aircleaner.

Please keep in mind that the Weiand intake was designed over 45 years ago to run NHRA SuperStock F or G in a fiberglass hood car with no aircleaner. They did not care if it fit anything else. Paul Rossi said there was no reason to rev past 6500 rpm and that was with a stock stroke 440 and a .750 lift roller cam. Now days they use sheet metal intakes and rev 2000 rpm higher.

Since you want to keep your stock airgrabber hood, I think you would be better off to just put TF 240 heads on it with a Hughes modified Edelbrock Intake. Just sell that Weiand intake for a bundle. The only Six-pack intake that would flow enough for maxwedge size ports on a stroker engine is a sheet metal tunnelram or the big Indy tub and they aren't going to fit your hood either.

I suppose I should add that your airgrabber scoop is probably the smallest fresh air scoop Chrysler ever used and will likely restrict your engine somewhat no matter what heads or intake you decide on.


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Originally Posted by GomangoCuda
Actually I doubt that an A12 aircleaner will ever fit under any factory hood with the weiand intake no matter how short the throttle bodies are. The A12 base is the tallest of all the available air cleaners. It Is not dropped like all the rest. I have my doubts about fitting any kind of factory style air cleaner under your factory hood. Might not even fit with no air cleaner. Close the hood slowly. I have one of these intakes sitting on a shelf. Only place it will fit with a factory aircleaner.

Please keep in mind that the Weiand intake was designed over 45 years ago to run NHRA SuperStock F or G in a fiberglass hood car with no aircleaner. They did not care if it fit anything else. Paul Rossi said there was no reason to rev past 6500 rpm and that was with a stock stroke 440 and a .750 lift roller cam. Now days they use sheet metal intakes and rev 2000 rpm higher.

Since you want to keep your stock airgrabber hood, I think you would be better off to just put TF 240 heads on it with a Hughes modified Edelbrock Intake. Just sell that Weiand intake for a bundle. The only Six-pack intake that would flow enough for maxwedge size ports on a stroker engine is a sheet metal tunnelram or the big Indy tub and they aren't going to fit your hood either.

I suppose I should add that your airgrabber scoop is probably the smallest fresh air scoop Chrysler ever used and will likely restrict your engine somewhat no matter what heads or intake you decide on.

All good and appreciated info. You are correct, I measured today and while the F&B setup may fit, no air cleaner will, and putting a sock over the throttle bodies, with them shoved up against the hood isn't an option either.
Regarding the A12 base, that was my understanding regarding the "drop" but I got a good deal on it, a fiberglass orange painted cover, new rubber hood seal, and even the tube of glue for the hood seal, so if that isn't needed and I can use the Airbox that goes w/the 70 N96, well it will be one or the other.
I asked about the Indy 440-25, but I don't know if that would perform any better or as well as the Weiand, and it definitely doesn't look as nice, to me.
As far as the performance of the Weiand goes, I am going to have it ported and worked over, and brought to Max Wedge port size for the Trick Flow 270s that are going on the 540. Ultimately, unless it performs better than even I can imagine, with mods and all that my Promax modded Holley carbs can offer, I do plan on going to the F&B 3x2 EFI direct port injection system, and that can flow 1,900 to 2,400 CFM.
I already spoke with someone I trust who can do all that for me and has experience with all aspects of that including the injector bungs, and that would also allow for the kind of top notch ignition system I've always wanted.
Basically the biggest problems with the Weiand are nullified by the DPI, as it becomes a dry intake at that point.
I'm open to corrections should those assumptions be flawed, please comment.
Trick Flow 240s on a 540?? and a modded dual plane?? I am going to drive it on the street far far more than the track, but it "seems" to me like the dual plane, even modded, would be a HUGE cork holding back the sheer volume of a 540 cu in motor, and then 240s vs 270s would have a similar choking off effect.
Tell me where I'm wrong, I want to know what you think!
Thanks

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Re: 540 aluminum block, MUST have 3x2bbl, fit 70 N96 Air Grabber [Re: BiomedTechGuy] #2800456
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I was having a problem with the anti spin spacer for my Hydramax hydraulic throwout bearing conversion kit, which has been resolved by machining it.
The point of this post is as my GOOD FORTUNE would have it, the same YouTube video that had some info on the Hydramax ALSO IS A STROKER RB MOTOR, AND HE'S RUNNING THE WEIAND 6BBL INTAKE! He really likes it and said it has performed well on his motor.
As far as the clearance goes, I'm going to have the best finish for appearance and factory hardware compatible fiberglass hood made with a "no peak line" or in other words a flat cowl "scoop" and incorporate the Air Grabber into the cowl.

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Run the Modman. They work pretty decent with 2x4. No reason they wont with a good set of 3x2. The air cleaner going to cover most of it up anyway. Once it's a painted up with stock looking valve covers and oval air filter it'll look great. Less money. Less headache. Better performance. Easy to port to Max Wedge. It's a no brainer.
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This is what you need, cut for a Low Deck
[Linked Image]20200204_222103 by William Dewing, on Flickr

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This is what you need, cut for a Low Deck
[Linked Image]20200204_222103 by William Dewing, on Flickr


Problem is those intakes are for the small ports....Otherwise I would have one with three 2-barrel center carbs...


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Why would you want to use 350CFM center carbs?
I have one set of the Holley mechanical six pacx over the counter sets that I need to fix (Massive corrosion on the throttle shafts in the bases) and put to use soon wrench
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Thanks for the replies and suggestions.
I have resigned myself to just accepting that I will need a hood that will clear the Weiand.
I'm determined to run it, BUT before I buy a glass hood and flat, no peak line down the center, cowl scoop for clearance and so I can still have my 70 Air Grabber, I am going to put it on my warmed over 440 and see what happens.
Here's a picture of a 70 Roadrunner with a cowl AND an Air Grabber.
I'm not sure how tall a cowl I'll need, but I am not going any taller than neccessary, but that may be 5"

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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Why would you want to use 350CFM center carbs?
I have one set of the Holley mechanical six pacx over the counter sets that I need to fix (Massive corrosion on the throttle shafts in the bases) and put to use soon wrench
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Because it has a squirter built in.....I have dyno'd engines with six packs on them, and without the squirter, there is a big lag in fuel to the engine at lower rpms with the engine vacuum needing to exceed the spring that holds the door closed.....Vacuum carbs and drag racing, for me at least, do not go well together...When the engine went into the car, this translated into crappy street manners...These were the best tuned siz pack carbs I had seen, and a typical 4150 950 four barrel was way better....Let alone the dual four setup he runs now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueC_4nAdSZ4


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

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The Carb Shop in Ontario ,CA makes a set of six pack carbs out of the older 500 CFM race two barrels carbs to fit a stock six pack air cleaner with all three squirters working up
I have worked on many stock six pack carbs and made them work without bogging, the key is the timing of the vacuum carbs opening and the setting the idle fuel mixture and fuel level on all three carbs so they don't bog up twocents


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