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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: moparx] #2779478
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after more than healthy years around chemicals that dry out skin [before i knew better or wised up] i discovered wd40 works very well to restore my cracked hands. it also softens the skin, and being a chemical, it probably isn't good for me. laugh2
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A reasoned argument that COVID-19 deaths are either too high or too low:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/05/29/us_covid-19_death_toll_is_inflated.html

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There are financial incentives that might make a difference for hospitals and doctors. The CARES Act adds a 20% premium for COVID-19 Medicare patients. Birx and others are also concerned that the CDC’s “antiquated” accounting system is double-counting cases and inflating mortality and case counts “by as much as 25%.” When all these anomalies are added up, it becomes apparent that we simply don’t have an accurate death toll from this new coronavirus. But it seems clear that the correct rate is just a little worse than the rate for the 2017-2018 flu.

Meanwhile, the Washington Post, New York Times, and others claim that we are undercounting the true number of deaths. They reach that conclusion by showing that the total number of deaths from all causes is about 30% greater than we would typically expect from March through early May. They then conclude that the excess is due to deaths not being accurately labeled as due to the coronavirus.

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Originally Posted by 360view
Originally Posted by moparx
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after more than healthy years around chemicals that dry out skin [before i knew better or wised up] i discovered wd40 works very well to restore my cracked hands. it also softens the skin, and being a chemical, it probably isn't good for me. laugh2
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Omega-3 oils (aka Fish Oil)
Is a major component of
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a product developed to dry out rocket wiring.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Runner2go] #2779643
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My country in Pa has had around 58 cases of Coronavirus as of today. Our almighty Governor is letting use go to green stage next Friday. Same with the Pittsburgh area 35 minutes les from me. Our eastern counties are stuck on yellow for now. Starting next Friday restaurants can seat up to 50%, movie theaters 50%, haircuts with reservations, and up to 250 people gatherings.


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: pittsburghracer] #2779652
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
My country in Pa has had around 58 cases of Coronavirus as of today. Our almighty Governor is letting use go to green stage next Friday. Same with the Pittsburgh area 35 minutes les from me. Our eastern counties are stuck on yellow for now. Starting next Friday restaurants can seat up to 50%, movie theaters 50%, haircuts with reservations, and up to 250 people gatherings.

I saw that on the news today and noticed that Green has been redefined again...
It doesn't mean back to normal or even close to it anymore... now it's Green = back to 50% or less.
Also gatherings of 250 or less when Green is a long way from "Event crowd Status".
The York State Fair scheduled in "July this year for the 1st time" has now been canceled until 2021.
I bet they wished they had left it in Sept where it was for 100yrs.

On a side note... if new Covid cases don't jump up big time the next 2 weeks in all the cities rioting... Then Governors everywhere are going to have a hard time saying people can't gather in Amusement & Ball Parks, and large outdoor Event gatherings in general. Especially if people standing elbow to elbow rioting, & throwing water & beer that they have been drinking on everyone else in the area.... doesn't spread Covid.

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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
My country in Pa has had around 58 cases of Coronavirus as of today. Our almighty Governor is letting use go to green stage next Friday. Same with the Pittsburgh area 35 minutes les from me. Our eastern counties are stuck on yellow for now. Starting next Friday restaurants can seat up to 50%, movie theaters 50%, haircuts with reservations, and up to 250 people gatherings.


He must have been informed of the negative press he's been getting. In my area its a lot of "maybe in a couple of weeks". I have worked non-stop 6 days a week thru this including in 2 of the biggest hospitals in the state regularly, they are mostly idle outside of the remaining covid people. Nothing will be different 2 weeks from now - no vaccine, no virus gone, no more therapeutics than we have now - so why the wait?. The only thing 2 weeks from now is you are throwing us a bone for being good little people.

I have driven to Pittsburgh every Memorial Day for the last 6 years for a nice vacation. I hope everything I love there has been able to survive.

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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Runner2go] #2779682
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Originally Posted by Runner2go
Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
My country in Pa has had around 58 cases of Coronavirus as of today. Our almighty Governor is letting use go to green stage next Friday. Same with the Pittsburgh area 35 minutes les from me. Our eastern counties are stuck on yellow for now. Starting next Friday restaurants can seat up to 50%, movie theaters 50%, haircuts with reservations, and up to 250 people gatherings.

I saw that on the news today and noticed that Green has been redefined again...
It doesn't mean back to normal or even close to it anymore... now it's Green = back to 50% or less.
Also gatherings of 250 or less when Green is a long way from "Event crowd Status".
The York State Fair scheduled in "July this year for the 1st time" has now been canceled until 2021.
I bet they wished they had left it in Sept where it was for 100yrs.

On a side note... if new Covid cases don't jump up big time the next 2 weeks in all the cities rioting... Then Governors everywhere are going to have a hard time saying people can't gather in Amusement & Ball Parks, and large outdoor Event gatherings in general. Especially if people standing elbow to elbow rioting, & throwing water & beer that they have been drinking on everyone else in the area.... doesn't spread Covid.


So what behavior exactly in your eyes spread COVID then pre rioting?

Are you thusly implying, if there is no outbreak in two weeks, COVID has flown the coop?


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Our Almighty Governor Pritzker has lost some court cases and been threatened by the President, so he has released the churches..............

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Peoplespharmacy interview this morning with Dr Dale Bredeson had a lot of information.

Bredeson is an expert on Dementia and he expressed his concern that the nonfatal mini-strokes being seen upon autopsy of COVID-19 victims may mean that survivors may be more prone to dementia and Parkinson’s disease afterwards.

He also talked about the role of Zinc and Copper in the Immune system, among many other subjects.

Bredeson recommends eating “colorful” foods that contain “flavonoids.”

The most common flavonoid in the US diet,
Quercetin,
is getting a clinical trial in Canada/China to see if it helps treat COVID-19.
This is mentioned in two previous posts in this thread.
In animal studies in Canada 4000 mg per day of Quercetin has treated Ebola virus, Marburg virus and Hepatitis C virus

https://www.peoplespharmacy.com/art...our-brain-during-the-pandemic-and-beyond

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Originally Posted by jcc

So what behavior exactly in your eyes spread COVID then pre rioting?

Are you thusly implying, if there is no outbreak in two weeks, COVID has flown the coop?


He is not denying close proximity spreads the virus. What the rioting and opening process is going to tell us in two to three weeks is just how far it has spread through the population asymptomatically already. Maybe we've reached a level of herd immunity that keeps it in check. Maybe the warming weather will also have an affect in keeping numbers down. Or maybe we'll have another outbreak. Either way, we're going to find out soon.


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Local farms supplied milk and milk products to hand out to our church so I and about 30 other members met up at the local shopping plaza where we had permission to line up cars for distribution. I arrived an hour early to help line up cars and an hour later our whole box truck was emptied. We are going to try to do this at least two more times in the future as everyone seemed extremely grateful.


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: jcc] #2779745
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Originally Posted by jcc
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On a side note... if new Covid cases don't jump up big time the next 2 weeks in all the cities rioting... Then Governors everywhere are going to have a hard time saying people can't gather in Amusement & Ball Parks, and large outdoor Event gatherings in general. Especially if people standing elbow to elbow rioting, & throwing water & beer that they have been drinking on everyone else in the area.... doesn't spread Covid.

So what behavior exactly in your eyes spread COVID then pre rioting?

Are you thusly implying, if there is no outbreak in two weeks, COVID has flown the coop?

Did you toss that one out there just to be contrary??? shruggy

The "POWERS THAT BE" told us a million times that:
"IF YOU DON"T FOLLOW SOCIAL DISTANCING, YOU WILL GET COVID"
Well "The "Rioters" sure as hell are NOT following Social Distancing guidelines in any shape or form. Other than the usual mask wearing to hide their identity... but half of them weren't even doing that. Plus drinking from a water bottle, & then deciding to "toss the remaining water at cops"... isn't exactly germ free activity. eyes

So yes.... if there is not a big jump in those area's, then one of 3 things is likely occurring.
1) Covid doesn't spread the way we've been told, and they destroyed the economy for nothing.
2) Covid is still out there, but has mutated into something that doesn't spread as easily, or is less deadly now.
3) Covid doesn't effect young people period... and they should have been at work & in school the whole time.

The riots have been without a doubt the LARGEST & densest gathering of people in each of those cities, since covid began. You would have to be a complete idiot not to look at it as a good "real time" test of the Social Distancing Guidelines theory. And whether or not it still applies in warm weather.

And for those that want to toss beach & boardwalk openings out there as equivalents... I have not seen a single pic of a beach or boardwalk with people standing shoulder to shoulder & belly to butt 100 people deep.

Although any Home Depot & Lowes probably have similar distancing to the looters inside the Target.
At least looters carrying a 65" TV out the door have to maintain 3' of distance while dragging it home. whistling

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Originally Posted by Runner2go
............ 3 things is likely occurring.
1) Covid doesn't spread the way we've been told, and they destroyed the economy for nothing.
2) Covid is still out there, but has mutated into something that doesn't spread as easily, or is less deadly now.
3) Covid doesn't effect young people period... and they should have been at work & in school the whole time.
......................


1) Who is they?
2) Perhaps, regionally may be different mutations??
In northern CA a family gathering in rural Covelo resulted in several cases and just recently a Church gathering in a nearby town (to Covelo) resulted in several more cases. This in a county that had few cases prior to those events. Unfortunately some from the Church spread cases into an adjacent county. Virus appears to be viable yet in rural nor cal where there are yet few cases outside the clusters
3) I'm not sure about this as data is showing many yet get the virus, effects may appear later in life. Then there are those the die. These inclusde some that are younger and even young. It's been noted some did not have preexisting conditions.
I give this info not to counter, but 1) curious, and 2,3) to provide lregional info.

In California the past 5 days have seen cases higher than ever, this as there is great rumbling to re-open all sorts for activities.

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I am curious as to who sets the guidelines for the businesses and such. Masks, distances, one way aisles and all of that. Is it the CDC? If not, who then? Governors ?
I ask because all I seem to see is some people blindly trusting someone above them that doles out the mandates. Nobody is questioning anyone?

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Originally Posted by MarkM
Originally Posted by jcc

So what behavior exactly in your eyes spread COVID then pre rioting?

Are you thusly implying, if there is no outbreak in two weeks, COVID has flown the coop?


He is not denying close proximity spreads the virus. What the rioting and opening process is going to tell us in two to three weeks is just how far it has spread through the population asymptomatically already. Maybe we've reached a level of herd immunity that keeps it in check. Maybe the warming weather will also have an affect in keeping numbers down. Or maybe we'll have another outbreak. Either way, we're going to find out soon.


I think the flaw in this theory is that it appears that many of the rioters (at least in Minnesota) are from out of state, and will likely have returned back to their home states within a week or so, since the number of guardsmen to defend the cities are increasing greatly.

So, it will be difficult to contact trace, except for those who have been/will be arrested. Perhaps somebody should be compiling stats on the arrested rioters to determine the percentage of those who test positive for COVID-19 in the next two weeks...

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Originally Posted by srt
Originally Posted by Runner2go
............ 3 things is likely occurring.
1) Covid doesn't spread the way we've been told, and they destroyed the economy for nothing.
2) Covid is still out there, but has mutated into something that doesn't spread as easily, or is less deadly now.
3) Covid doesn't effect young people period... and they should have been at work & in school the whole time.
......................


1) Who is they?
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In 1) They = Government, and in 3) they = young people...
I thought that was very apparent... with "they" being in the same sentence and all..

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2) Perhaps, regionally may be different mutations??
Very possible & likely... SARS mutated itself out of existence in about 14months.
In northern CA a family gathering in rural Covelo resulted in several cases and just recently a Church gathering in a nearby town (to Covelo) resulted in several more cases. This in a county that had few cases prior to those events. Unfortunately some from the Church spread cases into an adjacent county. Virus appears to be viable yet in rural nor cal where there are yet few cases outside the clusters
3) I'm not sure about this as data is showing many yet get the virus, effects may appear later in life. Then there are those the die. These include some that are younger and even young. It's been noted some did not have preexisting conditions.
I give this info not to counter, but 1) curious, and 2,3) to provide lregional info.
The riots aren't "data"... but they will make for a very nice observational study

In California the past 5 days have seen cases higher than ever, this as there is great rumbling to re-open all sorts for activities.
Bet they tested more people than ever too...
And likely include Anti-body positive tests as "New Cases", like all the other Blue States are doing


My main point was...
If the cities with riots don't see a massive uptick in infections during the next few weeks, after all that close contact. Then Wolf is going to have a hard time arguing that people in PA buying parts & looking at cars at Carlisle are going to cause a major outbreak.... That is, unless they take said purchased parts, and throw them at the nearest Cop and burn a few cars... at which point they will be considered rioting, and Corona immune. whistling

So if riots don't spread Corona, then we should be good to go for Carlisle in 6wks.
As of right now, going Green in PA means you are still limited to gatherings of no more than 250.
Hopefully if riots do not yield more cases, that 250 number can be upped significantly.

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High number of patients with severe COVID-19 develop deep vein thrombosis

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/202...elop-deep-vein-thrombosis/4171590761951/

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Deep vein thrombosis, or DVT, occurs when a blood clot forms in a "deep" vein -- typically form in the thigh or lower leg. These clots can travel to the arteries in the lungs, causing a condition called pulmonary embolism, the French researchers noted.

Up to one in four people with serious illness from COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, develop a pulmonary embolism, researchers have found. The condition can cause breathing difficulties, low oxygen levels in the blood and lead to death.

For their study, the French researchers reviewed data on 34 COVID-19 patients at their hospital. The patients were, on average, roughly 62 years old.

In all, 15 of the 34 had diabetes and 13 suffered from high blood pressure, the researchers reported. People with these conditions are considered at high risk for serious illness and death from COVID-19.

Only one of the 34 patients was on anti-clotting medication prior to being admitted to the hospital with COVID-19, according to the researchers. Still, 26 were treated with norepinephrine for the management of heart complications related to COVID-19 at hospital admission and 16 required prone positioning -- lying chest down -- for lung or breathing support.

Both steps are recommended by the World Health Organization for adult patients with severe COVID-19.

DVTs were found in 22 patients at admission and in 27 patients, or 79 percent, in venous ultrasonograms performed two days after admission to the ICU. The JAMA Network Open report did not include information on how many of these patients ultimately survived.

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Super-spreaders

https://www.france24.com/en/20200530-covid-19-super-spreaders-risk-causing-second-waves

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However, a team from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine estimated that 80 percent of infections are caused by only 10 percent of carriers.

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Runner2go I posed those not as being ignorant really want to know others feelings.
For more than a couple weeks I've felt "they" think we are blind lemmings. They play ignorant, victimized, tricked, and even violated.
We entrust our leadership to be prepared, on the ball and ready to respond. I see disorganization, deflection and a complete lack to provide any semblance of general Welfare.
I do not feel it too late for them (they) to get their heads together and get prepared for a) a second wave or 2) recovery plan. Why isn't any one doing this now?

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