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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #2779206
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Originally Posted by Diego (not Ted)
Originally Posted by DaveRS23


Looks like we ended up with both anyway. Do those at the top bear any responsibility for that?


We already know one who does not.

Photo op anyone?


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Clay County Judge Michael McHaney blasts Illinois Governor Pritzker's lock down orders.

“Americans don’t get ruled,” McHaney said.

“Since the inception of this insanity, the following regulations, rules, or consequences have occurred: I won’t get COVID if I get an abortion but I will get COVID if I get a colonoscopy. Selling pot is essential but selling goods and services at a family-owned business is not,” McHaney railed. “The pot wasn’t even legal and pot dispensaries didn’t even exist in this state until five months ago and, in that five months, they have become essential but a family-owned business in existence for five generations is not.”

“Our economy is shut down because of a flu virus with a 98 percent-plus survival rate,” McHaney explained. “Doctors and experts say different things weekly. The defendant cites models in his opposition. The only thing experts will agree on is that all models are wrong and some are useful. The Centers for Disease Control now says the virus is not easily spread on surfaces.”

“A family of six can pile in their car and drive to Carlyle Lake without contracting COVID but, if they all get in the same boat, they will,” McHaney said. “We are told that kids rarely contract the virus and sunlight kills it, but summer youth programs, sports programs are canceled. Four people can drive to the golf course and not get COVID but, if they play in a foursome, they will. If I go to Walmart, I won’t get COVID but, if I go to church, I will. Murderers are released from custody while small business owners are threatened with arrest if they have the audacity to attempt to feed their families.”

McHaney then took Pritzker to task for allowing his own family members to travel to Florida and Wisconsin while demanding Illinois residents stay put to prevent the spread of the novel coronavirus.

“When laws do not apply to those who make them, people are not being governed, they are being ruled. Make no mistake, these executive orders are not laws. They are royal decrees. Illinois citizens are not being governed, they are being ruled. The last time I checked Illinois citizens are also Americans and Americans don’t get ruled.”


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Originally Posted by Diego (not Ted)
Originally Posted by DaveRS23


Looks like we ended up with both anyway. Do those at the top bear any responsibility for that?


We already know one who does not.


The same one who 'saved millions of lives' by his actions?

Yet, since it was 'all a hoax', one wonders how 'millions of lives' could have been saved, since the hoax virus apparently is not dangerous. A dilemma indeed.

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: stumpy] #2779286
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Originally Posted by stumpy
Nothing like judging some ones actions from hindsight. Please tell us what you would have done with the same lack of information that was available about this virus.



I would have let the dominoes fall where they may, let mother nature thin the herd, I'm of the belief of "what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger", the US economy/businesses should have been left to run their routine course, as well as the virus...if you survived, good for you...survival of the fittest


IMHO this virus is here to stay to join the other viruses that we've "adapted" to over the centuries, either in it's current form or future mutation, either you adapt and cope, or perish, history repeats itself...

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Would you be spouting the same drivel if your family was among the 100k that didn't survive. I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by stumpy
Would you be spouting the same drivel if your family was among the 100k that didn't survive. I don't think so.



Obviously you don't know me, but those who really do, know I have very little love or concern for the human condition, pretty much bordering on misanthropy, my "family" association FYI is extremely limited, and of those, they are of like mind, if you want to live in an unobtainable utopian world that's your choice

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: DAYCLONA] #2779300
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spoken like a true sociopath. I'm willing to live and adapt with reality good or bad.

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Originally Posted by stumpy
spoken like a true sociopath.


Thank you! I do score "above average" in the sociopath tests

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Originally Posted by stumpy
Would you be spouting the same drivel if your family was among the 100k that didn't survive. I don't think so.


Those numbers include the gunshot victims, the car accident victims, the overdoses, the slip and falls, the COPD elderly with one foot in the grave and the other on a spill of 30 wt Pennzoil.
I think that you have too much trust for the Alphabet network media.

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2779339
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In the pre-1950 past USA families would sometimes have “measles parties” for their children to get a local epidemic over quickly and allow school to be less disrupted.

There is strong evidence that the measles virus is several times more % deadly than COVID-19 in children.

Has anyone on Moparts heard of a USA family sending their children to a COVID-19 infection party?

Young people who get the virus on purpose and recover in isolation from their family could then potentially “save” an older parent or grandparent by donating convalescent plasma.

Parents are expected to try to save the life of a child,
but at what age (18?)
should a child consider saving the life of an elderly family member by accepting a risk?

We routinely accept that 18 year old males risk their lives for country.

In the present pandemic 18 year old females could save the lives of the elderly with the lowest risk to themselves.


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What 90 autopsies in NYC reveal about COVID-19

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The examined brains showed a surprising scarcity of inflammation, with only a few cases showing small foci of chronic inflammation. However, a surprising number of cases showed microthrombi with small and patchy evidence of tissue death caused by blockage of blood vessels in both peripheral and deep parts of the brain. These small microinfarcts may explain some of the psychological changes seen in some COVID-19 positive patients.

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The researchers discovered that children have lower levels of an enzyme the virus needs to invade airway epithelial cells in the lung. Their preliminary findings, has been posted online by the preprint server bioRxiv, suggest that blocking this enzyme potentially could prevent COVID-19 infection in older people.

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Icahn School of Medicine in NYC different or additional findings

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-coronavirus-infection-mild-children-clue.html


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Each morning take your temperature,
then open up a package of Coffee or strong cheese
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to see if your sense of smell is still working:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-loss-symptom-covid-survey.html

Bonus question:

Who said...
“I love the smell of napalm in the morning, It smells like Victory”

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I heard a snippet of a news report this morning that is an idea for a potential second wave hybrid lock down strategy. It's basically everyone locks down for 10 days, and those remaining healthy have 4 days unrestricted(?), before starting the next 10 day lock down. Obviously it does not solve every issue, but gives a known light at the end of the tunnel, reduces cabin fever, allows stores maybe better handle/anticaipate shopping, and if universally well enforced, really kinda sorts out the COVID cases, IMO better then this last haphazard lock down. Of course trying any new idea that does not meet everyone's personal agenda is a bridge too far for "I got my rights" crowd when trying to save lives. So nevermind. eyes


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Originally Posted by 360view
Each morning take your temperature,
then open up a package of Coffee or strong cheese
and take a big whiff
to see if your sense of smell is still working:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-loss-symptom-covid-survey.html

Bonus question:

Who said...
“I love the smell of napalm in the morning, It smells like Victory”


Robert Duvall.


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Originally Posted by 360view


after more than healthy years around chemicals that dry out skin [before i knew better or wised up] i discovered wd40 works very well to restore my cracked hands. it also softens the skin, and being a chemical, it probably isn't good for me. laugh2
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Originally Posted by DAYCLONA
Originally Posted by AndyF
It will be interesting to see what happens with ventilators in the future. That industry sure got a big wave of news and attention. Now it has all died out since it turned out that they didn't need that many ventilators after all.

As well as a Covid19 study in NY that showed 88% of those on a ventilator died... the other nations, including China found ventilation was the wrong approach to treatment, I'll blame that bozo Cuomo in NY for hyping the need, IIRC he wanted 70,000 ventilators, along with 39,000 triage centers, and 110,000 ICU beds what a joke...

It was already being reported in late March, early April that ventilators were killing more than they helped and likely the WRONG way to go. China & Europe were seeing better response using what were basically modified C-PAP machines.... They found adding oxygen along with the positive pressure the C-PAP provides, worked much better than blowing out peoples lungs with a ventilator. Reports that I saw right after that, showed them modifying the treatment further, by laying them face down & then hooking them up to the contraptions. Only saw those early reports on Fox and a few on-line news sites. The mainstream media outlets back then were still too busy screaming about Cuomo not getting all the Ventilators he "wanted" and how he would soon need to split 1 ventilator between 2 people, (because orange man bad)... despite still having plenty in stock sitting unused.

I don't necessarily blame anyone for using ventilators early on... But I do wonder why they were so slow to acknowledge what was being done with the c-pap deals in other parts of the world, and why not try it here much earlier. Being cynical as I am... I can't help but think it had something to do with the $38,000 they were getting from the the Fed Gov for every "body" they tossed on a Ventilator.

It's hard to ignore $$$$ as a motivator for most things in life... same as the Fed Unemployment $600/wk is slowing down unskilled labor's return to work. We have a restaurant right down the street that put up a giant 6ft sign that says... Now Hiring for "All Positions"... since the business has been there for over 40yrs, it's a darn good bet his workers are refusing to come back, because they now make more now sitting at home.

I saw a report this morning on the news... spending is down 13%, but income is up 10%+ That's the largest jump in income ever, and reported as the direct result of the stimulus money overpaying most people on the low end of the scale. And Bloomberg news (of all places) was actually reporting(admitting) that the $600 stimulus payments will be the largest roadblock to employment recovery once States begin to reopen in mass. Saying that until that $600 disappears, many people will choose not to return to lower paying jobs, especially in the States where Governors have said they will not go after people for not returning.(basically, committing fraud is OK with them)

An itty bitty virus with a 99% survival rate has turned the world, & especially the US, into a modern day Alice in Wonderland

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Runner2go] #2779446
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Originally Posted by Runner2go


An itty bitty virus with a 99% survival rate has turned the world, & especially the US, into a modern day Alice in Wonderland



99.97% survival rate for people under 50 according to the CDC...

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