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Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: topside] #2778964
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Originally Posted by topside


Nevertheless, there's so much great stuff they did, I'd use a few paragraphs to list it all.


True.

But, I'll hit the significant high points:

Right:

1. Exterior styling, the best-looking vehicles on the road, bar none. From the early days to the present.
2. Jeep. Period.
3. The Viper, no further explanation necessary.
4. The 2nd Gen Ram: A revolution, perfect in every sense, gas or diesel, Quad Cab or Regular. Still modern and relevant by todays' standards.
5. The Minivan
6. The 545 RFE transmission to replace the power-robbing, unreliable Turds that came before it.
7. The Neon and K Cars.
8. Trans Am E Bodies
9. Daytona and Superbird
10. Six Pack induction
11. The 340. Period.
12. E, B, and C Bodies
13. Hemi anything
14. Plymouth Prowler
15. SRT
16. Cummins. Partnering with a REAL diesel engine manufacture has benefited both companies.
17. Dakota convertible. A middle-finger to the mini truck craze that was all about Ford Rangers, s-10s and toyota whatevers.
18. Ralph Gilles, Sergio Marchionne, Tom Gale and Lee Iaccoca
19. Magnum 318's that beat 350's in every department.
20. Driver door that locks only with the key.


Wrong:

1. All early automatic overdrive transmissions
2. Shelby Dakota
3. Dropping the Viper
4. Not producing the ME 412
5. Putting the heater motor inside the cab
6. 9 1/4 rear ends and 46x transmissions on the 2nd Gen Rams
7. A 4700 pound "Challenger"
8. Current success streak: I liked it better when I was the only one who drove a Dodge, now everyone drives one.

Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: Grizzly] #2779010
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Well the things they did get wrong were what Andy touched on were items that would have saved them Millions in development and production costs. The left hand lug nuts were a good idea as Rolls Royce also used them.
One common distributor for all V8's would be a smart move like GM did. Ford was even worse than Chrysler for some of these items and it seems that Chevy was the only ones that were smart about production costs twocents
The wheel wells on the rear not being bigger was my biggest problem like on my old 66 Belvedere sawzall hammer

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Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: fourgearsavoy] #2779104
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What Chrysler did right...hiring Lee Iaccoca to come in and turn the company around. up
What Chrysler did wrong....put Robert Eaton in charge after Lee retired....... down


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Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: RoadRunnerLuva] #2779133
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Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: RoadRunnerLuva] #2779138
05/28/20 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadRunnerLuva
What Chrysler did right...hiring Lee Iaccoca to come in and turn the company around. up
What Chrysler did wrong....put Robert Eaton in charge after Lee retired....... down


A ton of people didnt want Eaton.. he was nothing but a bean counter.. and he got a golden chute also
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Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: SRT6776] #2779331
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Originally Posted by SRT6776
Dodge Plymouth Chrysler Dodge?


DESOTO...


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Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: Spaceman Spiff] #2779334
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Some things they always got right:

Styling. How many truly ugly Mopars have ya ever seen? How many designs stand up over time?

Engineering. Probably the only brand ever to be called over engineered. Ya could make a long list of stuff they did first and stuff that went virtually unchanged for decades because it worked.

Independence / Innovation. Connects with engineering but Chrysler was never a "follow the herd" brand.

Racing. Too many times over the years they didn't have the money or the will to have a strong program. Any time they did, they turned whatever series they ran in to a race for 2nd.


Some things they always got wrong:

Bean counting. Every business had good years and bad years but Chrysler has danced with bankruptcy way too much.

Moving product. they were usually the 3 in the "big three".


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Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: RWG75] #2779681
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When the Avenger/Sebring came out.... imagine rwd, 4.7 equipped. Could have been our “mustang”.

Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: J_BODY] #2779824
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One interchange issue that could've saved millions over the years- why the different (and just the) driver side motor mount on the small blocks, going from 273/318 to 340/360?
Was this for easy ID on the assembly line? Never could figure that one out.
Right: I always loved the size and usefulness of the '90-'96 Dakotas. Wish they'd stayed that way and put 3g hemis in them, though. A Hemi 'Kota has a nice ring to it, still! Would make much more sense as a performance platform than a 5-6k # barn door Ram truck (rumblebee).

Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: bigdad] #2779836
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6x4.5 BP on the 97-03 Durango/Dakotas. Stupid stupid stupid.
The sweptline era hoods can lay against the hood. Great idea. Makes engine access a breeze.
Electroluminous dash lighting. Looked great till it stopped working, and expensive to fix if you found someone that knew how.
The '78 diesel engine option should never have happened.
Overuse of the Charger nameplate
I'm gonna catch hell for this but here goes:
The V-10 engine program was goofy. Sounds odd from the side. Total unicorn.

Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: A990] #2779934
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Originally Posted by A990
6x4.5 BP on the 97-03 Durango/Dakotas. Stupid stupid stupid.
The sweptline era hoods can lay against the hood. Great idea. Makes engine access a breeze.
Electroluminous dash lighting. Looked great till it stopped working, and expensive to fix if you found someone that knew how.
The '78 diesel engine option should never have happened.
Overuse of the Charger nameplate
I'm gonna catch hell for this but here goes:
The V-10 engine program was goofy. Sounds odd from the side. Total unicorn.


I agree with everything here. That odd 6 lug bolt pattern was realcrazy
'78 Diesel? Really?

Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: Jjs72D] #2779943
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I forgot about that odd BP! Def a wrong! Always wanted to install the 88-90 front rotors (std 4.5/5 lug) and do an earlier 8.25 (or gasp, 8.8 ford explorer, for the disc brakes) on mine.

Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: kowalski440] #2779951
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Right - Slant 6 engine used widely across model line ups as a base engine, helping to give Chrysler a reputation for reliability and longevity.

Wrong - Phenolic cups in calipers on the disc brakes set ups that tend to seize up at the most inopportune times. This is entirely the wrong place to try to save a few pennies.



Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: kowalski440] #2780155
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Kowalski I swapped my 99 and couldn't be happier. I used 03 spindles since the discs are larger. I had to have new hubs anyway, so I had a pair plugged and redrilled. I kept the 9 1/4" rear, but had 8 3/4 ends swapped on. Dutchman made me a set of axles that fit perfectly, then I put in a tru-trac. Bonus: it eliminated the c-clips. The truck drives awesome and I couldn't be happier. Now I get a huge choice of rims because of the Mustang interchange.

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Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: A990] #2780533
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Power Buldge hoods .. win

Factory Air cleaners always had a nice look

Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: bigdad] #2780543
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Stupid lifter angle on LA small blocks leftover from the poly motor years.

On small blocks the distributor does not pass thru the intake manifold.

Having the distributor up front on the B and RB engines makes life easier. Wish all engines had them up front.

Agree on the Dakota 6 lug wheels when at the same time the 1/2 ton trucks had 5 lugs. Makes no sense at all.

Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: Neil] #2780601
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My engineer Dad preached Chrysler engines' rocker arms mounted on shafts.. rather than individual rocker perches like the other Big Two.


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Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: A990] #2780846
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Neat truck, and thanks for the ideas, if I ever get another truck!
Originally Posted by A990
Kowalski I swapped my 99 and couldn't be happier. I used 03 spindles since the discs are larger. I had to have new hubs anyway, so I had a pair plugged and redrilled. I kept the 9 1/4" rear, but had 8 3/4 ends swapped on. Dutchman made me a set of axles that fit perfectly, then I put in a tru-trac. Bonus: it eliminated the c-clips. The truck drives awesome and I couldn't be happier. Now I get a huge choice of rims because of the Mustang interchange.

Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: Neil] #2780848
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I thought the sb distributor not going through the intake was a good thing, wish they had made it dry like the BBs at the same time.
Originally Posted by Neil
Stupid lifter angle on LA small blocks leftover from the poly motor years.

On small blocks the distributor does not pass thru the intake manifold.

Having the distributor up front on the B and RB engines makes life easier. Wish all engines had them up front.

Agree on the Dakota 6 lug wheels when at the same time the 1/2 ton trucks had 5 lugs. Makes no sense at all.




Re: Things DPCD got right / got wrong [Re: kowalski440] #2780852
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Sorry, didn't clarify that, but I do think the distributor not going thru the intake is a positive.

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