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Trick Flow Track Max camshaft #2777873 05/24/20 11:08 PM 05/24/20 11:08 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon V viperblue72 OP top fuel
viperblue72 OP top fuel V Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon	Does anyone else have results in this cam? Just installed one In my ramcharger and I am extremely impressed with the results. Just swapped from a 230@050 .525 on 112lsa hyd. roller to the trick flow cam. This motor made 490hp and 553tq originally. 9.98 to 1, ported sidewinders,rpm intake, 850 Holley, 1 3/4 headers. I only have seat of the pants to report but this thing now pulls much much harder surprisingly even down low from 2500 way snappier and has much more torque all the way through and pulls to 6k and seems to like 6500 shifts. I did not expect to gain more low mid range from this swap but it did and it feels significant. I purchased a 3600 converter to replace my 2k stall. I haven’t done the swap yet and I’m not sure it will even be necessary. I’ll likely do it anyways. But this much bigger cam did not hamper the torque down low it increased it. I can just roll into the throttle now at 25mph and it just starts hazing the 36” tires without any effort all the way through second. It didn’t do that before. I give this cam a 2 thumbs up. 👍 I feel this motor has to be making 580ft lbs and an easy 550hp. Cam is 243/247@050 .600/.600 108lsa with 104 centerline. Last edited by viperblue72; 05/24/20 11:13 PM.

Re: Trick Flow Track Max camshaft [Re: viperblue72] #2777903 05/25/20 03:17 AM 05/25/20 03:17 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,097 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,097 Bend,OR USA	Which motor, LA or BB, how many C.I.? Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Trick Flow Track Max camshaft [Re: Cab_Burge] #2778019 05/25/20 11:53 AM 05/25/20 11:53 AM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon V viperblue72 OP top fuel
viperblue72 OP top fuel V Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon	Cab sorry about that. 440 standard stroke .030 over.

Re: Trick Flow Track Max camshaft [Re: viperblue72] #2778040 05/25/20 01:15 PM 05/25/20 01:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,988 Warren, MI J Jerry master
Jerry master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,988 Warren, MI	did you use the trick flow roller lifters and their springs as well? that looks like a really promising combo. Superior Design Concepts 2574 Elliott Dr Troy MI 48083 jerry@sdconcepts.com www.sdconcepts.com Facebook page: Superior Design Concepts www.bcrproducts.com

Re: Trick Flow Track Max camshaft [Re: Jerry] #2778048 05/25/20 01:35 PM 05/25/20 01:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal	We used it in a 470 low deck build with their 240 heads...rpm intake, it made excellent power. Brian Hafliger

Re: Trick Flow Track Max camshaft [Re: Brian Hafliger] #2778059 05/25/20 02:01 PM 05/25/20 02:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon	Yeah we've used it on stroker builds and it makes excellent power. I don't know what the street manners are like. I went with a slightly smaller grind in my street car but the TF grind made more power on the dyno.

Re: Trick Flow Track Max camshaft [Re: Brian Hafliger] #2778075 05/25/20 02:34 PM 05/25/20 02:34 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon V viperblue72 OP top fuel
viperblue72 OP top fuel V Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon	I am baffled by camshaft theory at this point. The general consensus is a wider lsa will give you more low end. Less camshaft will give you better low end. These theories are false in this case. I went from 230@050 to 243@050 and from 112lsa to 108lsa and I have more power even down low. 🤔 I’m now much less fearful of choosing too big of a camshaft. And I may never install a wide lsa camshaft again in a typical Street/strip combo like this again.

Re: Trick Flow Track Max camshaft [Re: Jerry] #2778077 05/25/20 02:37 PM 05/25/20 02:37 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon V viperblue72 OP top fuel
viperblue72 OP top fuel V Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon	Originally Posted by Jerry did you use the trick flow roller lifters and their springs as well? that looks like a really promising combo. I believe the lifters are Howard’s and springs are isky 8005-A?! I believe they’re 400lbs In. Spring. I had the springs for a big solid cam from a different engine. They’re slightly less pressure than what trick flow recommends but they’re working just fine.

Re: Trick Flow Track Max camshaft [Re: viperblue72] #2778100 05/25/20 03:38 PM 05/25/20 03:38 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,097 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,097 Bend,OR USA	Originally Posted by viperblue72 I am baffled by camshaft theory at this point. The general consensus is a wider lsa will give you more low end. Less camshaft will give you better low end. These theories are false in this case. I went from 230@050 to 243@050 and from 112lsa to 108lsa and I have more power even down low. 🤔 I’m now much less fearful of choosing too big of a camshaft. And I may never install a wide lsa camshaft again in a typical Street/strip combo like this again. I learn that lesson long ago about LSA on BB Mopars, tighter, closer together, makes more bottom end and quicker 60 ft. times SB like them tighter than BB do also The first time I heard about lobe separation angles and their affect on motor performance was in the mid 1960s, the thoughts where then that wider help the top end RPM power and hurt the bottom end so you would use the wider lobes in a stick shift car and closer LSA on the automatic cars When I got into the details much later I found out that the tighter LSA help on both types of motors, stick shift and automatics Theory is one thing, at the track and actual driving is another that may or may not agree with the theories Test, test and test some more until you outrun the speed of light Last edited by Cab_Burge; 05/25/20 03:39 PM. Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Trick Flow Track Max camshaft [Re: Cab_Burge] #2778151 05/25/20 07:38 PM 05/25/20 07:38 PM
Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 2,070 CA C crackedback top fuel
crackedback top fuel C Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 2,070 CA	Wider LSA gets you less overlap, but, the intake valve closes later creating less stroke for compression. The idle would be a bit cleaner with the wider LSA, but the earlier valve closing pays bigger benefits using the same cam. Take a look at the cards and see where the intake closes on each of your cams at the recommended installed CL. I bet the @ .050 numbers are pretty close You have it installed at 104 compared to wherever the 112 was installed. Smaller the installed number earlier the valve closes. You are also filling the cylinder better with any increases in lift and maximizing the curve. Lots of variables. Last edited by crackedback; 05/25/20 07:53 PM.

Re: Trick Flow Track Max camshaft [Re: crackedback] #2778197 05/25/20 10:02 PM 05/25/20 10:02 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon V viperblue72 OP top fuel
viperblue72 OP top fuel V Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon	Original grind which was supposed to be for a low comp 440 from Oregon cam grinders 230/239@050 .525/.534. 112lsa +4 Intake opens 7BTDC Intake close. 43ABDC Exhaust open. 56BBDC EXhaust close 4ATDC NEW TRICK FLOW 243/246@050 .600/.600. 108lsa +4 Intake opens 44BTDC Intake closes 72ABDC Exhaust open 82BBDC Exhaust close 38ATDC Last edited by viperblue72; 05/25/20 11:41 PM.

Re: Trick Flow Track Max camshaft [Re: viperblue72] #2778216 05/25/20 11:55 PM 05/25/20 11:55 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon V viperblue72 OP top fuel
viperblue72 OP top fuel V Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon	Trick flow cam card must be fubar. Because I put cam specs in a calculator and I come up with different numbers. INTAKE OPEN 11BTDC. CLOSE 51ABDC EXHAUST CLOSE 66BBDC OPEN 11ATDC But when I put in my old cam specs it matches the card. Last edited by viperblue72; 05/25/20 11:57 PM.

Re: Trick Flow Track Max camshaft [Re: viperblue72] #2778257 05/26/20 08:07 AM 05/26/20 08:07 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 183 Macon, Missouri T TJ2 member
TJ2 member T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 183 Macon, Missouri	The "@ .050" numbers for the Trick Flow camshaft are: ............ OPENS.........CLOSES Intake: 17.5° BTDC 45.5° ABDC Exhaust:: 55.5° BBDC. 11.5° ATDC

Re: Trick Flow Track Max camshaft [Re: viperblue72] #2778354 05/26/20 01:54 PM 05/26/20 01:54 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,129 Home of the Bluegrass MoparJunkie super stock
MoparJunkie super stock Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,129 Home of the Bluegrass	Originally Posted by viperblue72 Does anyone else have results in this cam? Just installed one In my ramcharger and I am extremely impressed with the results. Just swapped from a 230@050 .525 on 112lsa hyd. roller to the trick flow cam. This motor made 490hp and 553tq originally. 9.98 to 1, ported sidewinders,rpm intake, 850 Holley, 1 3/4 headers. I only have seat of the pants to report but this thing now pulls much much harder surprisingly even down low from 2500 way snappier and has much more torque all the way through and pulls to 6k and seems to like 6500 shifts. I did not expect to gain more low mid range from this swap but it did and it feels significant. I purchased a 3600 converter to replace my 2k stall. I haven’t done the swap yet and I’m not sure it will even be necessary. I’ll likely do it anyways. But this much bigger cam did not hamper the torque down low it increased it. I can just roll into the throttle now at 25mph and it just starts hazing the 36” tires without any effort all the way through second. It didn’t do that before. I give this cam a 2 thumbs up. 👍 I feel this motor has to be making 580ft lbs and an easy 550hp. Cam is 243/247@050 .600/.600 108lsa with 104 centerline. I have this combo in my 500" stroked 440. I'm using the TF 240's OOTB checked, but no changes... 10.75:1 and I love how this thing makes power. I even have my 6 pack setup on it and its not a bad street combo. I'm sure I'm leaving a bit on the table with the 6 pack intake but I'm happy!!!!! I used the Howards max effort lifters.... these hydraulic rollers are noisey but I can live with it.... Last edited by HemiA12Bee; 05/26/20 01:57 PM. "It takes a Mopar to catch a Mopar” 1971 Roadrunner FJ6 Sassy Grass 505"RB, 18 spline 4 speed, and Dana 60 with 3.54 2022 Hellcat Charger Widebody Redeye Jailbreak: Hellraisin with 8 speed auto

Re: Trick Flow Track Max camshaft [Re: viperblue72] #2778355 05/26/20 02:02 PM 05/26/20 02:02 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,097 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,097 Bend,OR USA	Originally Posted by viperblue72 Original grind which was supposed to be for a low comp 440 from Oregon cam grinders 230/239@050 .525/.534. 112lsa +4 Intake opens 7BTDC 7+180 degrees+43=250@.050, correct? Intake close. 43ABDC Exhaust open. 56BBDC56+180=4=260@.050, correct EXhaust close 4ATDC NEW TRICK FLOW 243/246@050 .600/.600. 108lsa +4 Intake opens 44BTDC 44+180=72=296 @.050 Intake closes 72ABDC Exhaust open 82BBDC 82+180+38=300 Exhaust close 38ATDC Me thinks the numbers on this card are for total duration or maybe at .020 lobe lift Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Trick Flow Track Max camshaft [Re: TJ2] #2778356 05/26/20 02:05 PM 05/26/20 02:05 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,097 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,097 Bend,OR USA	Originally Posted by TJ2 The "@ .050" numbers for the Trick Flow camshaft are: ............ OPENS.........CLOSES Intake: 17.5° BTDC 45.5° ABDC 17.5 +180 + 45.5= 243 @ .050 Exhaust:: 55.5° BBDC. 11.5° ATDC 55.5+180+11.5 =247 @ .050, this sounds correct to me for a fairly big street cam Last edited by Cab_Burge; 05/26/20 02:07 PM. Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Trick Flow Track Max camshaft [Re: Cab_Burge] #2778364 05/26/20 02:20 PM 05/26/20 02:20 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon V viperblue72 OP top fuel
viperblue72 OP top fuel V Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon	Cab you got it. 296/300 is the advertised numbers. 👍 I just needed someone smarter than me to figure that out. 😜

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