So at this point, many seem to be put off with mask wearing.

1. So is it constitutional one can be required to wear a mask?

2. So is it constitutional one can be required to not wear a mask?

2. Can a Commercial property open to the public require mask wearing?

3. Can a Commercial property open to the public require non mask wearing?

4. Does mask wearing thwart facial recognition software/accuracy?

5. Will mask wearing be discouraged by those entities that support facial recognition use?

While we are on the topic of masks:

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/certain-type-n95-mask-harm-covid19-spread

Mr. President has done a fantastic job



Well I laid out some of the things I think he did right, much of it at the behest of some of the bumbling, fumbling governors. Closing the borders while Ms Pelosi was down in Chinatown hugging and kissing everyone while yelling racism. Getting private businesses on board making PPE and equipment after the Chinese embargoed stuff. Bypassing regs and red tape, invoked war powers act to get stuff done. Driving hospital ships to NY harbor. Signed that ridiculous, pork laden relief bill. Not sure what he could have done or not done differently.

Much of this was left up to the governors, which I agree with. Sadly some of them have turned out to be agenda driven boobs who think they are running some dictatorship and can order people to sit home for months on end. And for the most part, he has allowed them to act like the clowns that they are.

What could Mr.T have done or not done differently to save lives? Declared Marshall Law? Put Fauci in charge? Nuked China? Put himself in charge of CDC and NIH? How many would have died if he had sit on his thumbs and not done what he has?

The actions taken have only been directly correlated and timed to prop up the holy grail stock market, his self image, and image to his supporters by his messaging, nothing I have observed from any source has been "fantastic" from the top, except for the skill of the propaganda served. Even the smidgens of empathy for the suffering are grossly faked and revolting.

I am a long time believer you can't shine crap.

Not a wanna be mod here, please don't kill this informative thread.
There are all sorts of views, biased reporting, etc. Here, with keeping it more about factual info can we see the dimmed lights of reality.
Thinly veiled can deliver what pounding keys without killing this. I think many here can read between the rhetoric.
While there is plenty of blame from all corners of the world, we are all in this together and pulling together is the only way to get through this.

Here's an interesting 2007 financial interpretation of a modern pandemic:

https://www.stlouisfed.org/~/media/files/pdfs/community-development/research-reports/pandemic_flu_report.pdf

Good point. Speaking of which, do you even own a Mopar? I don't remember reading anything technical from you except theory and opinion. I don't remember reading about any car that you own.
Back on point though, people with your bias have a deserved reputation of spitting on anything associated with this administration, often to their own detriment. If the man came out praising classic Mopars, you'd switch to Ford.
Maybe you already are a Ford guy ???

Agreed. So I will reword the question that wasn't answered...What could the federal government have done, done differently, and/or not done to have caused fewer lives to be lost, fewer people infected and/or reduced the overall effects of the Chinavirus? What could they have done a better job at to assist the states with what they were up against?

They could have invoked the defense production act, which lets them direct who makes what, how much of them, and where do they go. Then we wouldn't have had states bidding against each for PPE, doing under the radar shipments, and the feds seizing it before it got them. During a war we don't need companies to pump out a million tanks when we don't need them. We need someone at the top with the big picture view to direct resources.

Instead of thinking it will go away like a miracle, we should have spent those two months ramping everything up, possibly by using a pandemic playbook that was available.

A recent study seemed to show that if the SIP started a week earlier, it would have cut the number of deaths in half. Having a consistent lockdown strategy from the top would have helped.

Heck, if he wanted to sail into a second term, all he had to do was say "There's a virus, and it's going to be bad, but if we work together, we'll get through it. Here's the CDC who will tell us what to do:" then sit back and sign EOs to keep everything moving. Instead we got whining about how no one cared that his press conferences got such great ratings.

But anyways.

As I don't believe we can wind back the clock to how the pandemic was addressed outside our borders so look to where we (us) began.
Some of what I present is my feelings, the questions are sincere.
More info is needed to know the 5 w's on the prep and then the gathering of intel and formation and implementation of action plan.
Early on I felt it odd to allow cruise ships berth in two busy harbors. (SF and iirc Florida).
I feel current leadership team(s) were in place long enough to embrace responsibility of response plan. To cast years backward appears derelict.
The above is so muddied I don't know how we will ever know what happened. It's done.
Our system provides or restricts budget (congress appropriations to cabinets). The first two years were conducive to getting whatever was needed. I'm unaware of any pandemic prep or budget requests that were turned down. We were truly blindsided.
With hind sight, once the pandemic was realized, I believe the federal gov should have developed guidance that the states could have modeled from.
There is an air of retribution in acquisition and distribution of ppe. What really happened when orders were placed? That seems now to be resolved, barring a large up swell in cases.
Are the scientists working on the public behalf censored?
Is the flux in govt structure of the team, response and organization due to qualifications or adversarial.
Is the pandemic being addressed, or is it being managed?

I think we can all agree that little was known about this virus, we are on an educational crash course. Much of what we thought early on is changing with more case study and perhaps virus mutation that changes the target. I imagine much apprehension exists in the decision makers about the reopening trade off of lives/financial fallout.
I came across an article that may dispel some of the early assumptions of patient/victim type. It's a work in progress and now identifies different indications of risk factors thus:

Age
Diabetes (type 1 and type 2)
Heart disease and hypertension
Smoking
Blood type
Obesity
Genetic factors

https://www.livescience.com/why-covid-19-coronavirus-deadly-for-some-people.html

It is an “accident of history” that my father assigned me the chore of mowing the Wilson family graveyard and then my grandfather vividly telling me what the 1918 Spanish flu was like at Camp Zackary Taylor. In 1957 there was a H2N2 pandemic and Sputnik, but I was taught far more about Sputnik.... important bits of it false. I paid mild attention to SARS, but was interested that it was the human body’s mistaken “cytokine storm” that killed, not the virus.

Terrorists are watching and learning.

I am glad we have 50 laboratories of democracy.

Utah, Florida, Tennessee seem to have done better than
New York, Michigan and Kentucky.

From now on each new President should require the equivalents of Dr Fauci and Dr Birx to write a twenty page personal statement of knowledge on what are the long term health effects and TOTAL death rate consequences of economic lockdowns, beyond the particular disease that caused the lockdowns. There has never been a modern lockdown like this so it should be studied in depth.

President Woodrow Wilson did a really bad job of what actions were taken in 1917 to 1919.
He paid a terrible personal price, too.

Anyone can survive this crap if your in decent shape... even the old.. one thing is that here in the US
we dont have all the best eating and other things.. lots of over weight issues

Mainland Chinese claim their COVID-19 vaccine shows good result in first 108 volunteers:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-human-trial-covid-vaccine-safe.html

So either we do believe the Chinese or dont we?

I see 10 of one and 10 of the other over the course of a day.

That's funny. "Volunteers". No gunstuff on Moparts...

That's funny. No gun talk on Moparts....

Thanks for the insight, comrade. That has never worked well.

Someone at the top running the day-to-day of an entire economy? I agree, that never ends well.

Someone managing a disaster or emergency? Absolutely necessary. When I was on a fire crew, the Incident Commander had all the info, and told us where to go. We had leeway to do what we had to when we got there, but we didn't decide where to go.