I'll ask her, ......................

You remind me of the kid that never did his homework anyway.

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[qupte]Brother, I'm just about social security age and I never thought I would live long enough to see the things being done to honest, working people and business owners right now. The verbal abuse, threats, vilification and financial destruction being heaped on decent, working citizens - all of it 100% against everything the Constitution and this country has stood for. The backbone of this country being treated like garbage, being put in jail while criminals are being turned lose.This has to stop. I mean it really has to stop or it's going to get ugly.

A shutdown to protect the healthcare system from being overwhelmed, to flatten the curve, remember? That was okay with Americans, me included. It was supposed to be temporary. Not for 3 months, not until the disease was reduced to zero, which will likely never happen. Now it's being used by people with an agenda as a weapon. By judges, governors, "experts" and fake news media all over the country. Abusing people like this doesn't happen in an America I'm familiar with. I'm one little pipsqueak, but I'm not going to watch it happen without raising h3II about it.

The order wasn't the rule of law she broke it was a legal summons issued to her. Which she tore up and ignored.

Yes that does seem to be what is going on. Canada says 80% of their virus deaths are from nursing homes. I think in the USA it is around 40%. Here in Oregon almost every person who has died has been older than 60.

In Pennsylvania, the average age of death in general pre-COVID is 78.5. The average age of persons dying attributed to COVID is 79. The percentage of people dying of COVID who are in nursing homes is 70%. That means the number of people who have died in the state being attributed to COVID and not being in a nursing home is under 1400 in the state with a population of 12,500,000. .

At least 50% in New Jersey - fact

The policeman is looking out for his own safety for the short amount of time we are interacting. He is not forcing me to stay home, go broke, or not make any money for 3 months. One is okay, I understand. The other would be unwarranted and definitely not be okay.

Some interesting numbers out of PA... they really make you wonder why the State was shut down.
Nursing home deaths just a tick under 70% of the total...
That is an eye opening number and rests solely on the Governors shoulders for following NY's lead...
But it does not tell how skewed it really is towards the old & largely retired population...

Under 45yrs old = 33 deaths ... in the WHOLE STATE of 12.5million+
Under 50yrs old = 70 deaths
Under 60yrs old = 307 deaths TOTAL << 307 primary working age people in the whole state.
Under 80yrs old = 1868 deaths << this adds in many still working 60-70, + 70-80 mostly retirees
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80yrs old to 85yrs old = 350+/- deaths in this age bracket, est...
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Over 85yrs old = 1979 deaths TOTAL
Over 95yrs old = 411 deaths
Over 100yrs old = 70 deaths << (I didn't even realize we had that many at 100+)

As stated above, we have a state of 12.5million & just 307 people under 60 died from Covid... More died from Flu/Pneumonia this year in the state... before they reclassified all the pneumonia cases as "probable covid". But PA closed businesses,(many for good) shut down the entire State, and kept working age people at home for Covid... Even though it had little effect on the age group containing the majority of workers, when compared to the Flu. The response clearly should have been more targeted... maybe every one over 55 stays home, and collects the bonus unemployment check and $1200 Gov check. Everyone else goes to work and tries to keep the local economy alive.

Now the governor of NJ (Murphy) says he is not going to fully open up the State until there is a Vaccine.
Glad I don't live, or own a business in NJ... (I thought PA was bad enough)

Simple move of “less sitting, more sleeping” improves mood during pandemic

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-spent-mood.html

Sample quote

Making these subtle changes was associated with better current mood, but light physical activity also provided benefits for up to a year, the study found. While the research was conducted prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, Meyer says the results are timely given the growing mental health concerns during this time of physical distancing.

"With everything happening right now, this is one thing we can control or manage and it has the potential to help our mental health," Meyer said.

As states start to ease stay-at-home restrictions, Meyer is looking at changes in physical activity and sitting time with potentially interesting results for those who regularly worked out prior to the pandemic. Preliminary data from a separate study show a 32% reduction in physical activity.
End quote

“Light activity” certainly means working on automobiles

It is interesting that in NYC the health care, transit and EMT workers along with police and fire fighters have a lower infection rate than the general NYC population.

I wonder why that is?

TY
Kevin

"I got my rights"

Why am I ordered to wear a seat belt? Less then 40,000 people die in a single year in the US in traffic accidents.
Highest percentage age group to die is old people.
I don't want to waste time every time I drive putting it on and taking it off.
What next, a law saying I have to flush the toilet?
This becoming a nanny state.

As we have progressed, those things became less likely and it became obvious that the shutdown was causing more damage than the disease.

Couple that with belligerent, agenda driven governors acting like 3rd world, banana republic El Presidentes and the sincerity and validity of the message kind of got lost.

Can you quantify that?

And do you think opening things up during an uptick in cases (if not deaths--hard to say because each state is unique), while not following federal guidelines, will continue to minimize the damage of the disease [sic]?

The point that is missed is that governors have had to rise to the challenge because there has been no leadership at the top. In a normal world, our leaders would be working with governors to keep the public safe, but that's not what's going on.

I think it takes a lot of chutzpah to put the spotlight on governors without shining that beacon on DC....I mean, one governor made an executive decision to purchase virus tests from a foreign country because he wasn't getting what he needed from DC, and he kept it on the DL because he didn't want the feds to seize the shipment.

So remind me: which is the banana republic?

It's a travesty.

"I got my rights"

Why am I ordered to wear a seat belt? Less then 40,000 people die in a single year in the US in traffic accidents.
Highest percentage age group to die is old people.
I don't want to waste time every time I drive putting it on and taking it off.
What next, a law saying I have to flush the toilet?
This becoming a nanny state.