It's a good thing the Founding Father's didn't have that point of view...

" Some people do stupid stuff under stress."

You are a bright guy, anybody who has watched the movie Titanic, any version, should understand that clearly, people have agendas, saving lives is not always high up on the list.

Protesting by a segment of population does nothing to advance ideal for the greater good of a people.

All stakeholders in government had time to develop the plan with input from the populace.

In Pennsylvania, using "official" numbers, 4420 have died attributed to COVID. The state number for those who were in nursing homes is 70%. That's 3100 in nursing homes where COVID patients were forced to be sent to keep the old folks company vs. 1320 who have died who were not in a nursing home. Worth trashing the economy to the tune of billions, closing businesses, lost businesses that will never reopen, 30% unemployment, missed diagnoses on other serious diseases and illnesses due to health system basically shut down, financial disaster for many families, suicides, substance abuse, etc,?

For comparison, in 2017, from CDC stats for leading causes of death in PA, numbers were 6667 for Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease (#5), and 2718 for flu/pneumonia (#9). Dying from either of those today would likely get you put on The List.

While the Governor's office and health department were forcing COVID patients to nursing homes, state health secretary Levine moved her/his 95 year old Mom out of a nursing facility and into a hotel. And he/she doesn't want to talk about it. I guess not.

Restrictions in much of the state have been eased up with counties going from Red to Yellow status with the notable exception of two rural counties in the south central area being forced to stay red - with no real reason or jusification from Harrisburg. Why? Could it be that the popular, area state Senator has been a vocal critic of the Governor, filing suit against his restrictions, calling for people to open despite restrictions, calling the Governor out for a lack of information, transparency, fairness and for verbally assaulting locals for wanting restrictions lifted and threatening to open their businesses? Can't be, that would be an abuse of power.

Even my little county - with a vocal opponent of the Gov in the state senate - was delayed with our whopping 15 cases and zero deaths. We've likely lost a few family operated restaurants and shops over this. But we voted 85% against the guy so tough $#!* for us.

And you wonder why I am skeptical.

Think about what you are saying and apply it to our populace. In a democratic republic the majority makes decisions. Do you want 10% making decisions on your behalf?
This has nothing to do about me (I'd class myself a Constitutionalist with roots back to before the revolution and some of the first European settlers in so Canada and upstate New York).
Look at the protests going on and who is participating. I'm suggesting you do not simply look at the segment wanting fewer restrictions. There are protests going on that hold similar numbers of protesters that may incur costs we all and generations to come will pay for. Think about it. Being distracted by pandemodium does not often have the outcome one desires.
P>S> The founding Fathers (my relatives) had the backing of their neighbors and a majority of the populace. One was hid from British Soldiers for over a year in the RI and New England. The protesters of today would do good to expand their ranks an develop a unified and workable solution.
P>P>S> We reserve the right to vote them out. What's happened is many lemmings have detached themselves from the day to day operations and have deferred to others holding only their own interests. Ever think abut why laws now pretty much restrict lobbying to corporations?
Lastly the ideals as quoted by John adams:
Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it.

All the above presented as current events, as History and personal History, and NOT politics.

So does this Judge decide by law or his own beliefs while on the bench?

I don't get it, so stay at home orders, during riots, hurricanes, floods, blizzards, chemical spills, infernos, earthquakes, etc now going to be considered as an usurping of individual rights outlined in the constitution?

I don't get it, so stay at home orders, during riots, hurricanes, floods, blizzards, chemical spills, infernos, earthquakes, etc now going to be considered as an usurping of individual rights outlined in the constitution?

"It went from “flatten the curve” to “find the cure”. From “social distancing” to “house arrest”. From “2 weeks” to “3 months”. From “we’re in it together” to “snitch on you neighbors”. From “individual liberty” to “comply or pay fine”. We lost the target. And government knows it."

Stay at home orders for all the above last days, not three months. Says who? Good thing I didn't mention a nuke meltdown, they last longer then a few days for sure Besides, they're not state wide You might want to rethink that and don't inhibit freedom of movement across the entirety of the country May want to rethink that also.
It would be an easier pill to swallow if the conditions for the orders didn't keep changing. So your tolerance for uncertainty in uncharted waters is limited then? Viva Frei put is best:



And you know the dinosaurs became extinct because they failed to adapt. "House arrest", gimme a break, hyperbole.

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If you're willing to accept this then there is no limit to what you'll let government get away with.

One side's political persuasion is opening while the other is staying under lock down. We'll find out in a couple weeks who was right and who was wrong.

Heck no I don’t want the 10% but right now we have the 1%. My sister in Florida (68 years old) is at the dentist getting her teeth cleaned. This morning she went to the gym. Sunday she went to her church and Friday she had her hair done. You can stay in your shell if you chose but others want to live life rather than die a prisoner.

A suspicious, skeptical person, who has been paying attention, would tend to think it's all about causing pain and assigning the blame elsewhere leading up to November, and worry about fixing it after that.

But that would mean abuse of power and putting agenda - and their own star - ahead of the welfare of their states and citizens. They wouldn't do that, would they?

It’s interesting to watch members downplay the science they don’t agree with then promote science they believe in that hasn’t been proven.
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..someone got the models wrong....again we know the risk groups so let's keep them safe.

I don't have any idea what you are talking about since there is very little science behind a lot of what is going on. There is no science behind telling families who live together that they can't go out in a boat. Or telling someone who is in a boat that they can't fish. There isn't any science behind telling someone that they can't surf by themselves or sunbath by themselves yet that stuff is going on.

There is some science behind the requirement to wear masks and keep physical distance and for the most part people follow that.