No my point was mainly, nobody knows, and society has been behind the curve of its progression since day 1, and it ain't over, except it appears for those who do want to guess/speculate.

Regarding herpes, a person infected can easily spread it to other places on their bodies, eyes being the worst, and herpes can be infectious with almost no symptoms of the carrier.

I'm not trying to be an a-hole. Just call it like I see it. What I see is crap like Runner2go just posted occurring all over the place as these people scramble to maintain appearances, justify their tyranny, and keep their foot on the necks of the citizens. Again...if the truth is so bad that we have to ruin the economy and people's livelyhoods, why do they have to make stuff up and cook the books to make it worse? In what universe is having had an illness maybe months ago, with little or no symptoms and no longer being sick or infected able to be called a "new case"? If I die from alzheimers or a stroke or heart failure and I have a broken leg, on what planet do they list the broken leg as cause of death? On planet Rachel Levine, that's which planet.

They should be making a list of people known to have HAD it, or have the anti-bodies, and are now well so we can see how large that group is. Can't do that. The percentages would make them look even worse. Instead they pad the stats to create even more lies.

Some folks are inconvenienced. I'm looking at having something I have 45 years invested in taken away by crooked, dishonest hacks and liars having their little power trip. Making threats of extortion that they know won't stand up in court for a second. Unqualified circus clowns on a power trip. And no one seems to be able to do anything about it. So yeah, I'm a little hot under the collar.

Didn't say I wished, or hoped for it. Just drawing some possible likelyhoods from what I see/observe/hear. The US came into "this" later then say S.Korea, which supposedly handled this "properly", but isn't still out-of-the-woods. Flattening-of-the curve only shows death rate (per year/week/day) hasn't increased.

Until that curve drops drastically; we'll be into this for some months. How many? 3, 6, or more? Then into Fall season: & that tosses another turd into this punch-bowl-of-a-mess.

With so many "snake-oil" cures/remedies/treatments/drugs/tests surfacing these days; makes one wonder who/how they'll be narrowed down to an "accepted" few for treating the general population AND when..

I see your point, and yes it's true that nobody knows completely how it's going to play out. I also understand the other side of the coin, and that's that the economy won't stand a complete shut down for too long, and other countries who have done better at getting through it (by appearances anyhow) are watching what happens. I do think there's a real risk in opening too soon, but maybe once we know more about the disease it will be alright, like spend tons of money to keep it out of nursing homes, and improve working conditions for people who have to work too closely together and it will be alright - but you're right, we don't know. It is a risk that IMHO could go either way.

I don't see the point of bringing herpes into the conversation though, as there are many diseases that act in different ways that could be discussed. Unless herpes is somehow related to coronavirus (I really don't know).

As far as the politics go, it's a taboo subject here, but that's fine with me because I have always hated politics. I firmly believe we need some kind of strong leader to lead the country, and some sort of check and balance (like congress and the senate), but all the discourse that is rampant now just gets in the way of getting anything done. Both sides duke it out for their own BS reasons, leaving the rest of the people in the middle without any real leadership. I hate politics, and BS.

I knew I was going to regret getting involved in this thread...

There's that 80,000 number again. Every time I see the latest number of Corona fatalities, I want to re-post this response from Illinois' Director of Public Health saying directly that anyone and everyone that tests positive for the virus at the time of death is counted as a Coronavirus death regardless of the actual cause of death. Couple that with the fact that no one knows how many folks actually have the virus and the only logical conclusion you can draw is that the charts and predictions based on those numbers are meaningless. Absolutely meaningless. And that is borne out by the fact that basically all of the casualty predictions on this have been totally wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEDjjl41xHU

But one thing is for sure, there are fewer deaths from the virus than are reported (at least in Illinois which has the 6th largest number) and there is very likely many more people infected than are being estimated. Think for a minute of the ramifications that has on the decisions being made.

More and more experts are saying that the virus is contagious enough and has spread widely enough that basically everyone will be exposed to it at sooner or later. There really is not much way at this point to prevent that. The only thing now that can save the people that are most vulnerable to this virus is an effective vaccine or treatment because we simply cannot quarantine forever.

The Fire Department of New York received nearly 200 additional calls per day for deaths at home in early April, according to a Gothamist report. This increase prompted New York City to begin tracking probable COVID-19 deaths last week, when officials added more than 3,700 deaths in a day to the overall fatality count, The New York Times reported.

Which means I'll repost this as well

Even if we counted every single death as being incorrectly from Covid, we have a whole bunch more deaths than we normally see this time of year.

I agree that some areas are overcounting deaths. In other places we're undercounting them. As these charts show however, we're still seeing a lot more people die than we would expect.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86127



Are they faking the extra amount of calls they got for dead people at home? Is there a reason that would spike?

Raining again today, = more numbers
Re: Herd Immunity

Now we are about 1.358m ill (0.413% of us population 328.2m) infected and about 81,650 deaths (6.01% of ill)
To get to herd immunity of ~70% of 328.2m results in 229.7m ill people applying 6.01% gives 13,804,970 deaths to reach herd immunity.

“confirmed by test cases”

In Oregon where I live the mortality rate is pretty low, roughly 2 or 3 people per day out of 4 million population. Nobody knows what the infection rate is since they are only testing about 15,000 people per week. They are only testing a small group of people, namely those who think they are sick or people who have been in contact with sick people. Even with that narrow slice of the population they are only finding 3% infection rate. So only 3% of the people who think they are sick actually are infected with covid. Of the small group who are sick about 4% of them end up dying. So 4% of 3% which is a small number.

Currently in a population of 4 million we only have 57 people in the hospital with covid. The hospitals are almost vacant waiting for a rush of covid patients but only a trickle showed up. Which I suppose is a good thing but then again, there are a bunch of people who need medical care who aren't getting it. Some of those people are dying since they aren't being allowed to get the medical care they need.

In Oregon the last numbers I saw showed that almost everyone who has died of covid had an underlying medical condition. I think it was higher than 90%. And most of those people who died in our state were older than 80. So for the most part, covid is finishing off older people who were already sick. The policy makers have a tough problem on their hands but eventually they'll have to come up with a solution that gets the economy running even though sick people, and especially sick people who are older are continuing to die from the virus. They really have no other choice at this point. Shutting everything down is not a long term strategy since everyone will starve to death. Some of the politicians can't figure it out yet but they'll be forced to figure it out within the next few weeks.

At this point I think the virus is winning. It is going to kill off the older and sicker people over time. They might be able to stay isolated for a few months but eventually the virus will capture all of its victims. Only thing that is going to stop it is a cure and it could take a long time for that to appear. The politicians are going to need to move to the next stage of recovery sooner or later. Right now about half of them are refusing to accept reality.