Looks like we are having a near revolt in PA after the most recent changes by the governor

As of this morning, Lebanon & York county sheriffs & DA's have announced they will not arrest or prosecute any business owners for opening.... claiming the most recent list of allowed businesses is too hap hazard to enforce. Also the county commissioners in Dauphin county, where the State Capital actually resides have also gone against not reopening... .Open defiance running rampant now... locals flipping the bird far and wide.

I think extending the Stay at home until 2 days AFTER the state primary... was the last straw.

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Can now add "Berks" to list of PA counties flipping off the Gov & refusing to enforce business closures.

Quick 15 min active COVID-19 disease test approved. Made in USA

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-coronavirus-antigen-fast-results.html

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The antigen test is the third type of test to be authorized by the FDA.

Currently, the only way to diagnose active COVID-19 is to test a patient's nasal swab for the genetic material of the virus. While considered highly accurate, the tests can take hours and require expensive, specialized equipment mainly found at commercial labs, hospitals or universities.

A second type looks in the blood for antibodies, the proteins produced by the body days or weeks after fighting an infection. Such tests are helpful for researchers to understand how far a disease has spread within a community, but they aren't useful for diagnosing active infections.

Antigen tests can diagnose active infections by detecting the earliest toxic traces of the virus rather than genetic code of the virus itself.

The FDA said that it expects to authorize more antigen tests in the future.

Quidel said Saturday that the test can provide an accurate, automated result in 15 minutes. The FDA's emergency authorization "allows us to arm our health care workers and first responders with a frontline solution for COVID-19 diagnosis
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The company said it specializes in testing for diseases and conditions including the flu and Lyme disease.

The U.S. has tried to ramp up testing using the genetic method, but the country's daily testing tally has been stuck in the 200,000 to 250,000-per-day range for several weeks, falling far short of the millions of daily tests that most experts say are needed to reopen schools, businesses, churches and other institutions of daily life.

That's led White House adviser Dr. Deborah Birx and other federal officials to call for a "breakthrough" in the antigen tests.

"There will never be the ability on a nucleic acid test to do 300 million tests a day or to test everybody before they go to work or to school, but there might be with the antigen test," Birx told reporters last month.

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Meanwhile, South Korea is starting to open up again too. And now Seoul is closing bars and nightclubs after a cluster of new cases appeared.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/09/world/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-second-wave.html



The protestors in Michigan and other places claimed they didn't need the government to keep them safe, and that their common sense would keep them safe.
Narrator voice: The lack of masks and social distancing during the protests proved they didn't actually know how to keep themselves safe.

Well, I can tell for sure won't work: ignoring them. Failing to address the disparities between areas and being heavy handed with the lock down is being seen as a 'let them eat cake' attitude towards the public. They're not asking for handouts - they want to work. The State using its authority to prevent you from earning a living can only fly for so long.

Very true. I agree they don't want handouts, but we need to get rid of the virus, and one of our tricks to that end is to pay people to stay home.

But their (the protestors) argument is that they can keep themselves safe... which they have proven almost the opposite of.

Hooziewhatit and I are (un)fortunately Jeffersonians (the vote didn't stick) living in a sparsely populated area on nor-cal/so or. We've been relatively safe undoubtedly because of low population and a lifestyle void of malls, large entertainment venues, and a lifestyle where concentrated social activity is not the norm. We will be tasked with participating in the care and monetary needs as is the balance of society. This pandemic has created a two headed monster, we're damed either way we deal with it. I think it's not time well spent discussing opening or not. At some point people will (are) pressing forward. Yesterday was a real life "Black Friday" How many are going to be crushed (or, simply get ill) by being among the first to "rejoin" society. Those that become ill may be filling precious beds and having tubes jammed down their throats.
We will be incurring additional cost as society jump starts, or if we leave the doors shut. This will happen down the road as the dust settles and bills are paid, or magical free money is deposited. I am trying to look at this with a realist eye when I say society has to take a hard look at what is truly essential and what is needed to survive. We recurrently money to institutions, corporations and businesses with little regard as to if they will be "essential" 6 months from now. Perhaps it's time has come? So many businesses do not save for a rainy day, the dividends flow. The rainy day has come and we have no choice but to save them?

Honestly, it doesn't matter. Part of the job Whitmer signed up for is deescalation, and so far I haven't seen any indication her office is willing to even hear these people out. We already have mayors and sheriff offices refusing to enforce her orders. Even the State House has filed a lawsuit because of her extending her own emergency powers to the end of the month via executive order. Cracks are beginning to form. Preventing people from earning a living will be interpreted as an attack on their rights. If she continues to press this armed insurrection, albeit local, may soon follow.

This is tough. Businesses are shut down by an order of Government. If they fail it won't be because they couldn't compete on the open market. Ordering businesses closed through no fault of their own effectively puts government on the hook for their well being, even if they kept lousy books. It's kind of like eminent domain. On the flip side, as you said, it's funny money we're paying them with. I don't have answers.

This crisis is exacerbating already deep fissures between rural and urban parts of the country. What we have the potential for turning into a couple months from now scares the [censored] out of me. This is going to test the unity of the country, no doubt.

As they should. There have been no issues in most of the state that haven't been caused by the complete clown show in Harrisburg. Wolf is an a$$ of the highest degree. "Don't blame me, blame the virus". No, you idiot. We blame the Chinese and you for taking advantage of the situation.

He also took the Cuomo approach of forcing COVID patients into nursing homes, a death sentence for many seniors. That news is trying to be kept quiet but is trickling out. The AVERAGE age of all who have died from COVID in PA is 79. Which just happens to be the average life expectancy in Pennsylvania before anyone ever heard of COVID.

Local business people and elected officials are apoplectic at the lack of response from this administration. I think the business community is going to organize and open very soon, regardless what Wolf says.

His latest brain storm is a Commonwealth Civilian Coronavirus Corps, "a public service initiative that will support efforts this fall to increase testing and contact tracing and provide critical new job opportunities in the public health sector." This guy is channeling FDR. Just stop with the big production and open up the state.

I agree; that's the crux of the issue. We can either let everything fail through no fault of the owners, take a huge hit to GDP, and spend years crawling out of the hole. Or, we can make it rain money to essentially put everything on pause until either it passes or we figure out treatments to severely lessen the health issues from it (just because you don't die, doesn't mean you won't have any health repercussions from it).

Even if we decided to open everything back up, a whole lot of people are going to be (rightfully) cautious, and it won't snap back to normal overnight.

Yea... there are no good answers :-/

There are no logistics to work out. From day one, many of our local sheriffs, mayors, and police chiefs have went on record as saying that they will not prosecute lock down violations. Some saying that they believe that the Executive Orders are unconstitutional. In fact, there have been a number of social media posts by some socialist spies that complain that their reports to the authorities about violations of the stay-at-home orders were met with 'mind your own business'.

Many businesses are open. The ones that have been closed are the ones that hold a state license of some sort and then there are the national chain stores that have some weird access requirements.

Our town straddles the interstate so we see more than our share of travelers. To date, in our entire county there have been 9 reported cases of the virus. 5 have recovered and there have been no deaths.

No matter how you slice it, bankrupting some of our local businesses over this is absolutely asinine.

About the only silver lining I've found so far is that there are some good deals around. I took a load of hazardous waste over to the local DEQ place the other day and they told me to stay in the rig while they unloaded it. Then they told me "no charge on account of the virus" and waved me out the gate. Almost zero traffic around here so I've been out test driving the Duster project. Sure makes it easy without any traffic in the middle of the day. Gas prices are nice and low so that helps also. I also got my car serviced the other day without any waiting and I got my lawn mower fixed on the same day I dropped it off. Usually this time of year there is a 3 week wait. I still can't get my haircut so I look like a homeless guy but I guess I can live with that.

Here in Oregon the infection rate is very low and so is the death rate. Most deaths are older people, almost all of them had underlying medical issues and many of them were in nursing homes. So the odds of someone younger and healthy dying of the virus here in Oregon seems to be very, very low. Glad I'm not in NY city or some of the other places that are hard hit. I think we have had 3 deaths per 100,000 population in Oregon. Averaging only a couple of deaths a day compared to a normal average of 100 people dying per day. So the death rate has gone up 2% due to covid. That seems like not enough to shut down the whole economy and drive small business owners into bankruptcy. Especially if most of the deaths are coming from seniors in nursing homes. Should be able to protect those folks while allowing others to earn a living. So far the politicians haven't seen it that way.

This year I have missed going to Spring Carlisle. I'm going to miss Mopars in the Park in Stillwater and Back to the 50's in St. Paul because they are cancelled. I'm hopeful I can see the start and finish of the Colorado Grand because it is such a small event, and I still look forward to Fall Hershey if they have it.

Runner2go , DaveRS23, and others have pretty much convinced me not to go to Chrysler Carlisle. I was looking forward to the events. But there are plenty of things I can do that are looking a lot safer.

Monster Mopar also canceled for 2020 at Norwalk. The best Mopar event in the world.

Huh. I just found some major respect for Elon. I know he's a snake oil salesman, and I know he's seeking 'relief', but I still have to respect the man, at least on first impression, who does this:

TESLA VS ALAMEDA COUNTY CALIFORNIA
COMPLAINT FOR INJUNCTIVE AND DECLARATORY RELIEF

Per Elon: "I’m not messing around. Absurd & medically irrational behavior in violation of constitutional civil liberties, moreover by *unelected* county officials with no accountability, needs to stop."

He's absolutely right. I wish he would sue NY and it's tyrant king, Julius Cuomo.

Kevin James has a point here -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=...mp;v=wfGAktuU93s&feature=emb_rel_end

Elon needs to get tough or else he'll be bankrupt. He has big cash flow problems when the factory is running. I can't imagine what his cash flow problems look like with the factory closed. He is bleeding red ink. Keeping stuff like that shut down when there isn't a good reason for it will cause a lot of damage for a long time.

re: Older people mostly in nursing homes. In CA newspaper article today reported apparently 48.5% of the deaths were residents of care facilities. Some of the residents were not reported apparently because they were transferred to hospitals and reporting fell through cracks.

Re: small business failing (and big business too). Some of these may fall into the category of luxuries and other things we take for granted may fall into that category too.

I wonder if smart phones, sat and cable tv, and to a lesser extent internet will be able to adapt to offer more budget minded options. Vacations at resorts, theme parks, and big regional events are pretty much done until the virus is subdued.

I feel home oriented activities and hobbies will emerge for the short term. Things like cars, gardening, home improvement, fitness, sewing, cooking, arts and crafts, genealogy, audio visual, music, can keep minds and body functioning at home. Other activities including fishing, hunting, biking, hiking and trail sports, geocaching (favorite of our grand kids), camping (remote), boating, and on....

There are a lot of activities people could do with little or no investment. This provided they have not lost the ability to think independent of what they are fed from their electronic devices.

Well Better then those pleated cloth ill-fitting rubber-band held junk. You think because it says N95, that's the best average folk can use. N95 masks are really nothing special, that's why many medical people now need the shields. A filter meant for organic vapors and/or insecticides GOTTA be better then an N95 or dopey bandanas.

Do worry about it: All the CC co's will be afforded "A dip into the money well by the fed"