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Re: cutting braided AN [Re: Sammy] #2770559
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All you guys that are having troubles installing the AN fittings do yourself a favor.....pry out your wallets, peel back that Mopar glue that's keeping it stuck closed and buy the Koul Tools install kit. You will save enough $$ on bandages to pay for the kit and you won't have worry about your kids learning new words

Re: cutting braided AN [Re: Sammy] #2770562
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Originally Posted by Sammy
Originally Posted by Mr.Yuck
Originally Posted by Sammy
Originally Posted by Mr.Yuck
yes wrapping it with tape. the braided wants to push back of the line when you push the fitting on.



Some fittings only work with certain hose
Earls fittings only work with Earl's hose.

That's probably your problem


Summit Hose Summit fittings.


I've never had a problem with Summit hose ends but who's hose are you using? I hope it's not Earls.
It won't work.


hose and fittings are Summit ...made in USA too.

Re: cutting braided AN [Re: don miller] #2770565
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Originally Posted by don miller
All you guys that are having troubles installing the AN fittings do yourself a favor.....pry out your wallets, peel back that Mopar glue that's keeping it stuck closed and buy the Koul Tools install kit. You will save enough $$ on bandages to pay for the kit and you won't have worry about your kids learning new words


not hurting myself.. the braided wants to push back on the line...bunches all up. I'm kicking myself because I was going to use all hard line. Thought this would be easier but 4X the cost.

Re: cutting braided AN [Re: Mr.Yuck] #2770568
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Not a big fan of SS hose. From all the times I've used it, this is what I discovered...always stay with the same manufacturer for everything. Fragola has the large inventory for everything AN and will custom design for you. They also have the best catalogue.

Re: cutting braided AN [Re: Mr.Yuck] #2770571
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I just ran into same issue with black nylon braid hose and black china fittings. Wrap tight with masking or electrical tape. Cut hose,I peel off the tape, spray fitting and hose with penetrating oil and insert hose into fitting pushing it right up to the threads. If you don’t push the hose far enough in, it will push back out when you try to insert the other part of the fitting.

Re: cutting braided AN [Re: mopar dave] #2770584
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I wrap it with a couple turns of electrical tape tightly, use a thin cutoff wheel to cut it in the middle of the tape, blow off the debris, spray WD40 on the fitting and hose, then put it together.


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Re: cutting braided AN [Re: Mr.Yuck] #2770617
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One end of the braided hose will flower out more than the other. It's just the nature of the beast with braided covers.

Try using masking tape and making your cut through the tape. Get the cutoff wheel to max speed and plunge it to cut through the hose as fast as it will let you. A chop saw would be better, a rotating knife blade would be best.

Re: cutting braided AN [Re: jb500] #2770695
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I use heavy power wire cutters like the ones previously pictured. I used to cut it with a cut-off wheel never again. All kinds of debris in the lines, hit or miss flaring the braid then hard and finicky assembly. With the cutters like the ones pictured before I can make clean connections in literally a minute, black hose , steel hose, whatever. Using a cut-off tool is like using a hand sledge for framing. Sometimes you bend the nail, and you end up sore and possibly bleeding.

Re: cutting braided AN [Re: dthemi] #2770698
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Dt Hemi : Basically a large cable cutter

Use this, and forget about tape, grinding, cutting, cleaning whatever. This will cut the hose clean as a lazer, and it has the added benefit of slightly reducing the end from the radial compression. making it easy to put the fittings on. literally, one second and the cleanest cut you can get. Even works on double braid.


I do this too. My cutters are greenlee cable cutters and this is all they are used for. It keeps the hose I.D. clean.

The aluminum vice jaws with cut outs also make it much easier to hold the fitting.

I like and use XRP or Fragola.



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Re: cutting braided AN [Re: don miller] #2770709
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Originally Posted by don miller
All you guys that are having troubles installing the AN fittings do yourself a favor.....pry out your wallets, peel back that Mopar glue that's keeping it stuck closed and buy the Koul Tools install kit. You will save enough $$ on bandages to pay for the kit and you won't have worry about your kids learning new words
I am a big fan on the Koul Tool stuff as well. I don't think I have bled once since I got the Koul Tool kit. I also have a hose cutter from Summit (I think). The only problem I have with it is making a square cut but that is probably operator error.

I have some of the push on Aeroquip stuff and I hate it. I have noticed that Koul Tool makes something that will push them on for you but its something like $275.

If I was going to plumb or replumb an entire car I probably would look to getting a setup to use the permanent swedged on hose ends on black hose.

Re: cutting braided AN [Re: pittsburghracer] #2770712
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Try the black hose and you will never go back to braided stainless


My transmission and radiator hoses are the only braided stainless I have left. I love the cloth braided stuff, easy to work with and I like the look also.


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Re: cutting braided AN [Re: dthemi] #2770713
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Originally Posted by dthemi
https://www.harborfreight.com/28-inch-cable-cutters-6649.html?cid=paid_google|||6649&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=&utm_content=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMInoKVmK2W6QIVx56zCh2z_AbqEAQYASABEgIPjvD_BwE

This is the cheapest one I see, but there are nicer ones. Basically a large cable cutter

Use this, and forget about tape, grinding, cutting, cleaning whatever. This will cut the hose clean as a lazer, and it has the added benefit of slightly reducing the end from the radial compression. making it easy to put the fittings on. literally, one second and the cleanest cut you can get. Even works on double braid.

[Linked Image]

Agreed, I stopped the taping and cutting with cut off wheels yrs ago. No more frayed end and bleeding fingers


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Re: cutting braided AN [Re: B1MAXX] #2770725
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I guess when making 100's to 1,000's of hose assemblies I just used the quickest and most efficient tools to get the job done. An abrasive wheel chop saw or actual hose cutting machine was always at my disposal. Any pesky debris was simply blown out with shop air. No sledge hammers needed or ever used.

Re: cutting braided AN [Re: jb500] #2770758
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Originally Posted by jb500
I guess when making 100's to 1,000's of hose assemblies I just used the quickest and most efficient tools to get the job done. An abrasive wheel chop saw or actual hose cutting machine was always at my disposal. Any pesky debris was simply blown out with shop air. No sledge hammers needed or ever used.


I agree 100%.. I did hose and steel line cutting for 30+ years and never used a cutter as seen there.. I
try not to buy a tool that has just one purpose unless its mandatory
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Re: cutting braided AN [Re: dthemi] #2770783
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Originally Posted by dthemi
https://www.harborfreight.com/28-inch-cable-cutters-6649.html?cid=paid_google|||6649&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=&utm_content=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMInoKVmK2W6QIVx56zCh2z_AbqEAQYASABEgIPjvD_BwE

This is the cheapest one I see, but there are nicer ones. Basically a large cable cutter

Use this, and forget about tape, grinding, cutting, cleaning whatever. This will cut the hose clean as a lazer, and it has the added benefit of slightly reducing the end from the radial compression. making it easy to put the fittings on. literally, one second and the cleanest cut you can get. Even works on double braid.

[Linked Image]


well those didn't work for poop. Waste of $20 and 40 minutes of my life.


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Re: cutting braided AN [Re: jb500] #2770791
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Originally Posted by jb500
I guess when making 100's to 1,000's of hose assemblies I just used the quickest and most efficient tools to get the job done. An abrasive wheel chop saw or actual hose cutting machine was always at my disposal. Any pesky debris was simply blown out with shop air. No sledge hammers needed or ever used.


And for spending big $$ on a "Cool Tool" just look around the garage to find a similar fixture. Take a plastic funnel and cut off the snout at a point where the ID is a little smaller than the hose OD. Make a slit down the spine to allow it to open up. Put it over the hose and pull the hose back so that it is flush. Stick your ferrule/socket on the end or on the work bench and give the hose a firm jab (similar process as a piston ring compressor and install). This should allow you to be quick enough to get it in past the fitting.

Re: cutting braided AN [Re: jb500] #2770793
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Originally Posted by jb500
Originally Posted by jb500
I guess when making 100's to 1,000's of hose assemblies I just used the quickest and most efficient tools to get the job done. An abrasive wheel chop saw or actual hose cutting machine was always at my disposal. Any pesky debris was simply blown out with shop air. No sledge hammers needed or ever used.


And for spending big $$ on a "Cool Tool" just look around the garage to find a similar fixture. Take a plastic funnel and cut off the snout at a point where the ID is a little smaller than the hose OD. Make a slit down the spine to allow it to open up. Put it over the hose and pull the hose back so that it is flush. Stick your ferrule/socket on the end or on the work bench and give the hose a firm jab (similar process as a piston ring compressor and install). This should allow you to be quick enough to get it in past the fitting.


thanks, this is a product problem I think. As mention all the -8 stuff works like butter the -10 Summit stuff is horrible.


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Re: cutting braided AN [Re: Mr.Yuck] #2770863
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What could be easier than this? Works way better and cleaner with two hands, but you get the idea

https://youtu.be/SamXthmNJtk

Re: cutting braided AN [Re: dthemi] #2770903
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I've always used masking tape and a 3 x 1/16" cutoff wheel. I also have a squeeze bottle of "Russell's Hose Assembly Lube", a really black oil, don't know what's in it but a drop or two on the fitting threads (and the part that goes inside the hose) works great.

Never had a problem mixing Summit, Fragola, Russell shruggy I did make the mistake of trying a Chinese copy from ebay once. Never again. Stripped before fully tight!

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