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My turn, looking for a late model truck, diesel or gas #2767499
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Time to find a newer truck.

Just sold my 2014 1500 Hemi powered Ram Longhorn and have my 2004 Diesel 2500 Ram for sale.

I want to get down to 1 truck, I'm looking for a daily driver, highway cruiser and dependable towing vehicle.

I was spoiled by the dependability and towing ability of the 04 diesel Ram but loved the technology, options and smooth ride of the 2014 1500 Longhorn which makes me want to get a loaded 2014 or newer diesel Ram but I'm hearing/reading the newer diesels are a different animal, poor fuel mileage and issues with EGR, DEF etc.
From what I understand the EPA has shut down any deleting possibilities so I would be stuck with the factory emissions.

My towing needs would be a 24' enclosed trailer with vehicle inside, 20' ski boat, and 14' open trailer with UTV and ATV.

Not real impressed with the 1500 Ecodiesels, so my gas options would be a Hemi powered 1500 with 3.92 gear and tow package or a 2500 with thirsty 6.4 Hemi engine.

Any insight and/or advice?
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Re: My turn, looking for a late model truck, diesel or gas [Re: KillerBee] #2767700
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Honestly the 14 and newer Cummins equipped Ram has been a pretty solid set up. I see some emission issues crop up here and there, but nothing so bad it makes me hate them. Advantage of the 14 and newer over the 07.5-12 6.7 pos soot making check engine light turbo clogging dpf clogging egr stuck open needs deleted asap is that using the def to meet emission standards means that the EGR is hardly used. This means better mpg and waaaaay better mpg AND extended oil change interval.
I also mention 14+ because of the suspension improvements.


...but to be perfectly honest. I’m going to “borrow” a 6.4 hemi 2500 off the lot one of these days and see how it does towing my race trailer. I’m probably in the twilight of my towing/racing career hobby and I bet dollar for dollar I’d be ahead of the game going this route. I’ve actually observed quite a few snowbirds the last 3 years that have gone this route.

Re: My turn, looking for a late model truck, diesel or gas [Re: J_BODY] #2767853
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I love my 2011 ram 1500 with the 6.4 SRT8 good MPG even towing my car trailer with a car on it. Tons of power. If the trailer is not loaded correctly though it gets funny feeling, if it is loaded just right even with a 4 door 3/4 long bed 2015 ram on the trailer it towed great. Even my 5.7 hemi 2011 tows great. If you have a really big trailer get a 3/4 with a BGE or 5.7. You can replace the entire engine for less than head gaskets on a diesel.

I own an auto repair shop and can't comprehend how people are OK owning diesels with the massive repair bills we see on them ALL THE TIME. Not unusual to see injectors or a melted piston in a cummins, injectors or headgaskets in a dirtymax, head gaskets, injectors and turbos on a 6.0 ferd and the owner will drop $5000 MINIMUM to fix em with a smile on their face. I just don't get it for what, maybe a couple more MPG? Maybe if you drop a pile o money on deletes and tuning an already much more expensive vehicle so you can use a more expensive fuel... to each their own I guess butt my money has much better things to do.


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Re: My turn, looking for a late model truck, diesel or gas [Re: HotRodDave] #2767992
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Another vote for a 6.4 MDS in a 2500. There were a couple of new ones out at work this winter and the Guys driving them were impressed with the fuel mileage and power. Non-partial judgement too as they were company vehicles with Brand-X drivers.

Dave, do you have any more details on how you got a 6.4 SRT engine to work in a half ton? work


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Re: My turn, looking for a late model truck, diesel or gas [Re: KillerBee] #2768026
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I rebuild late model Rams I buy from the insurance auctions. It's all I have done for the last 8 years so I'm pretty much know them inside and out. First off DON'T buy an Ecodiesel. The Italian engine is junk. They are extremely prone to engine fires. A 5.7 Hemi 1500 is a nice ride and can easily pull a small trailer but with such a cushy rear coil suspension it is not designed for a lot of tongue weight. If you are towing a 24ft enclosed trailer I would definitely go with a 2500 at least. You can get a 6.4 hemi for less than the diesel but they just don't quite have enough torque at freeway speed (70MPH) to pull a 7K lb trailer. You will have it constantly down shifting from 6 -5th gear and watching your mpg drop to 9mpg. I would still recommend a Cummins if pulling a 24ft enclosed. It will drive and pull like it wasn't even there. No downshifting unless you were really going up a steep hill. I have owned at least 30 of the 2013 and newer Cummins Rams. Don't let the scare of high repair bills keep you away from one. You likely won't have any issue until it has a ton of miles (say 200k plus). The guys who do have Cummins engine issues are the guys who idle there truck for extended periods and the ones who pull the 40ft gooseneck fully loaded commercial trailers. Sure a diesel may cost 5K more to buy up front but it will also sell for 5k more when you sell it off, so it's only tying the $ up for a while.
I haven't been deleting the EGR system on my 13 and and newer Cummins for years now. Really not a good idea anymore since the EPA is really cracking down on that. My experience with highway MPG has been about 21MPG empty, 19mpg with an empty 2k trailer and 13.7 pulling 10K loaded trailer, so I've been happy enough in stock form. Heck, back years ago with 04-07 5.9 Cummins and no EGR they would only get 22mpg or so.
Like I said at the beginning I repair these and sell them. It's been a great niche for me. People get sticker shock over the price of a brand new one on the dealer lot for 70k. They just can't justify that kind of cash outlay for a truck they need occasionally. So when I offer a near new diesel one with low miles for 30-35k with a marked title it's much more palatable. For example I just sold a 2017 diesel with only 22k miles that was a theft recovery (they took the custom wheels) and no collision damage for only 30k. PM me if you want to see what I currently have available or coming up soon.

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I bolted it in with the 5.7 intake, oil pan and exhaust manifolds for now. No need to pull valve covers.


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Re: My turn, looking for a late model truck, diesel or gas [Re: hemi70se] #2768147
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Originally Posted by hemi70se
I rebuild late model Rams I buy from the insurance auctions. It's all I have done for the last 8 years so I'm pretty much know them inside and out. First off DON'T buy an Ecodiesel. The Italian engine is junk. They are extremely prone to engine fires. A 5.7 Hemi 1500 is a nice ride and can easily pull a small trailer but with such a cushy rear coil suspension it is not designed for a lot of tongue weight. If you are towing a 24ft enclosed trailer I would definitely go with a 2500 at least. You can get a 6.4 hemi for less than the diesel but they just don't quite have enough torque at freeway speed (70MPH) to pull a 7K lb trailer. You will have it constantly down shifting from 6 -5th gear and watching your mpg drop to 9mpg. I would still recommend a Cummins if pulling a 24ft enclosed. It will drive and pull like it wasn't even there. No downshifting unless you were really going up a steep hill. I have owned at least 30 of the 2013 and newer Cummins Rams. Don't let the scare of high repair bills keep you away from one. You likely won't have any issue until it has a ton of miles (say 200k plus). The guys who do have Cummins engine issues are the guys who idle there truck for extended periods and the ones who pull the 40ft gooseneck fully loaded commercial trailers. Sure a diesel may cost 5K more to buy up front but it will also sell for 5k more when you sell it off, so it's only tying the $ up for a while.
I haven't been deleting the EGR system on my 13 and and newer Cummins for years now. Really not a good idea anymore since the EPA is really cracking down on that. My experience with highway MPG has been about 21MPG empty, 19mpg with an empty 2k trailer and 13.7 pulling 10K loaded trailer, so I've been happy enough in stock form. Heck, back years ago with 04-07 5.9 Cummins and no EGR they would only get 22mpg or so.
Like I said at the beginning I repair these and sell them. It's been a great niche for me. People get sticker shock over the price of a brand new one on the dealer lot for 70k. They just can't justify that kind of cash outlay for a truck they need occasionally. So when I offer a near new diesel one with low miles for 30-35k with a marked title it's much more palatable. For example I just sold a 2017 diesel with only 22k miles that was a theft recovery (they took the custom wheels) and no collision damage for only 30k. PM me if you want to see what I currently have available or coming up soon.


We start seeing injectors go bad by 100,000 with people not pulling trailers or pulling trailers it don't matter.

Also a 5.7 eagle motor pulls my 7000LB trailer easily, you just don't do it at 1500RPM like a diesel and no, running at 2500RPM will not hurt the 5.7. My 6.4 SRT in my personal truck pulls like an animal, I got 12.5 pulling a 2015 ram 4 door long bed on a 16 foot from helena to kalispell including some hairy mountain climbs. Not quite diesel MPG but all other costs considered still much cheaper.


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Re: My turn, looking for a late model truck, diesel or gas [Re: HotRodDave] #2768230
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And the 5.7 computer runs it?


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Re: My turn, looking for a late model truck, diesel or gas [Re: hemi70se] #2768327
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Originally Posted by hemi70se

Like I said at the beginning I repair these and sell them. It's been a great niche for me. People get sticker shock over the price of a brand new one on the dealer lot for 70k. They just can't justify that kind of cash outlay for a truck they need occasionally. So when I offer a near new diesel one with low miles for 30-35k with a marked title it's much more palatable. For example I just sold a 2017 diesel with only 22k miles that was a theft recovery (they took the custom wheels) and no collision damage for only 30k. PM me if you want to see what I currently have available or coming up soon.

I don't know the OP's financial situation but the poeple looking at $70k trucks typically are getting auto loans w/trade. Your business is mostly cash, yes? Secondly, a 3 year old truck with low miles and no damage being dumped on an auction makes no sense. Not knockin', I would love to do what you do.

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Geographic location can be a huge consideration also. My truck needs would differ greatly if I were back in SoDak over western AZ where I’ve been stuck for 20 years +.

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Originally Posted by Grizzly
And the 5.7 computer runs it?


Yep. Stock programming right now with about 4000 miles on it. I am looking for a BGE intake and may do long tube headers and don't want to spend $1000 tuning to have to re-do it.


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Originally Posted by J_BODY
Geographic location can be a huge consideration also. My truck needs would differ greatly if I were back in SoDak over western AZ where I’ve been stuck for 20 years +.


Agree. 2007 CTD 295k. I had to make adjustments when we moved to Mesa from south central Washington. I found that I needed more frequent tire rotations due to the extream temps in the Summer. Also, more frequent oil changes May through September. However I’m still running 15/40 Amsoil. I also fully service my tranny once a year wether it needs it or not.


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I have a company truck so I don't need to purchase my own. That being said if I were to purchase my own it would be a 2500 with the 6.4 HEMI. You could probably put a new long block in a hemi truck for the cost of injectors in a diesel. Since the EPA has tried to get diesel trucks to shoot sunshine and rainbows out the tailpipe they just aren't any good.

My work truck is a 2016 Silverado 3500 with a Duramax, mixed driving it gets 12MPG completely empty. That is because once a tank it cleans the DPF filter and totally wrecks the mileage. It can take a tank from a 15mpg average to 10-12 when it does a regen to clean the DPF. That is the dumb stuff modern diesels do.


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Thanks for all the advice.

Picked up my new to me Ram pickup today.

Found a beautiful 2016 Ram 2500 4x4 Laramie crew cab diesel with 36k miles.

Loaded including Navigation, front/rear park assist, moon roof and rear air suspension.

Super clean and super nice.

Drove it 3 hours home and it runs and rides perfect.

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Originally Posted by Bad340fish
I have a company truck so I don't need to purchase my own. That being said if I were to purchase my own it would be a 2500 with the 6.4 HEMI. You could probably put a new long block in a hemi truck for the cost of injectors in a diesel. Since the EPA has tried to get diesel trucks to shoot sunshine and rainbows out the tailpipe they just aren't any good.

My work truck is a 2016 Silverado 3500 with a Duramax, mixed driving it gets 12MPG completely empty. That is because once a tank it cleans the DPF filter and totally wrecks the mileage. It can take a tank from a 15mpg average to 10-12 when it does a regen to clean the DPF. That is the dumb stuff modern diesels do.


Damn thats crappy mileage. If I got that I wouldn't be happy either. My 2018 Megacab Cummins gets almost 23 mpg highway (if I keep it 5 mph over the 70 mph speed limit). Cruising 80-85 I still got 21.8. My combined city and highway has always been almost 19 mpg.(18.7). Thats my calculations and it matched the computer. Now mine isn't a 4x4 since I don't need that. It's personal use and pulling my car hauler It cost me mid 41k and no its not the Tradesman.


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Originally Posted by HotRodDave
Originally Posted by hemi70se
I rebuild late model Rams I buy from the insurance auctions. It's all I have done for the last 8 years so I'm pretty much know them inside and out. First off DON'T buy an Ecodiesel. The Italian engine is junk. They are extremely prone to engine fires. A 5.7 Hemi 1500 is a nice ride and can easily pull a small trailer but with such a cushy rear coil suspension it is not designed for a lot of tongue weight. If you are towing a 24ft enclosed trailer I would definitely go with a 2500 at least. You can get a 6.4 hemi for less than the diesel but they just don't quite have enough torque at freeway speed (70MPH) to pull a 7K lb trailer. You will have it constantly down shifting from 6 -5th gear and watching your mpg drop to 9mpg. I would still recommend a Cummins if pulling a 24ft enclosed. It will drive and pull like it wasn't even there. No downshifting unless you were really going up a steep hill. I have owned at least 30 of the 2013 and newer Cummins Rams. Don't let the scare of high repair bills keep you away from one. You likely won't have any issue until it has a ton of miles (say 200k plus). The guys who do have Cummins engine issues are the guys who idle there truck for extended periods and the ones who pull the 40ft gooseneck fully loaded commercial trailers. Sure a diesel may cost 5K more to buy up front but it will also sell for 5k more when you sell it off, so it's only tying the $ up for a while.
I haven't been deleting the EGR system on my 13 and and newer Cummins for years now. Really not a good idea anymore since the EPA is really cracking down on that. My experience with highway MPG has been about 21MPG empty, 19mpg with an empty 2k trailer and 13.7 pulling 10K loaded trailer, so I've been happy enough in stock form. Heck, back years ago with 04-07 5.9 Cummins and no EGR they would only get 22mpg or so.
Like I said at the beginning I repair these and sell them. It's been a great niche for me. People get sticker shock over the price of a brand new one on the dealer lot for 70k. They just can't justify that kind of cash outlay for a truck they need occasionally. So when I offer a near new diesel one with low miles for 30-35k with a marked title it's much more palatable. For example I just sold a 2017 diesel with only 22k miles that was a theft recovery (they took the custom wheels) and no collision damage for only 30k. PM me if you want to see what I currently have available or coming up soon.


We start seeing injectors go bad by 100,000 with people not pulling trailers or pulling trailers it don't matter.

Also a 5.7 eagle motor pulls my 7000LB trailer easily, you just don't do it at 1500RPM like a diesel and no, running at 2500RPM will not hurt the 5.7. My 6.4 SRT in my personal truck pulls like an animal, I got 12.5 pulling a 2015 ram 4 door long bed on a 16 foot from helena to kalispell including some hairy mountain climbs. Not quite diesel MPG but all other costs considered still much cheaper.




You see injectors going bad because those trucks aren't getting fuel filters changed like they should is the only reason. My buddy has a 14 ram 3500 with 100k and it's on the original fuel filters. Sad but true. He just replaced 1 injector. I've been trying to get him to change them but he'll probably just wait until he needs an engine.

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It not just about fuel filters, they do need to be done very frequently it's true (just one more diesel expense). What really matters is the fuel was stripped of the sulfur (lubricant) at the same time fuel pressure was dramatically increased as well as far more precise and tighter clearances in the moving parts so things wear out faster as well as clog up easier. It is the perfect storm and no amount of filter changes are going to replace the lost sulfur. I used to have a 12v with the old radial pump and no intercooler, I ran it on used motor oil, tranny fluid, gear oil... whatever was in the waste oil tank at the honda dealer I worked at, I cut it 50/50 with diesel fuel and it ran flawlessly for years, no way in heck you could do that with a cummins 24 valve or later. I call BS on all the guys claiming over 20MPG in a later cummins unless it is modified to remove emmisions programming and other equipment (more money into the bottomless pit) , I have owned, driven, borrowed a bunch and bone stock none would get close and I know how to milk good MPG from anything.


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It not just about fuel filters, they do need to be done very frequently it's true (just one more diesel expense). What really matters is the fuel was stripped of the sulfur (lubricant) at the same time fuel pressure was dramatically increased as well as far more precise and tighter clearances in the moving parts so things wear out faster as well as clog up easier. It is the perfect storm and no amount of filter changes are going to replace the lost sulfur. I used to have a 12v with the old radial pump and no intercooler, I ran it on used motor oil, tranny fluid, gear oil... whatever was in the waste oil tank at the honda dealer I worked at, I cut it 50/50 with diesel fuel and it ran flawlessly for years, no way in heck you could do that with a cummins 24 valve or later. I call BS on all the guys claiming over 20MPG in a later cummins unless it is modified to remove emmisions programming and other equipment (more money into the bottomless pit) , I have owned, driven, borrowed a bunch and bone stock none would get close and I know how to milk good MPG from anything.


Making another trip from Ohio to Florida tomorrow. Nothing modified and I have always gotten between 21.8 - almost 23 mpg on the trip. Don't care what you think or believe, math doesn't lie. Miles driven divided by gallons used tells you the mpg achieved.


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14 newer 4x4 Cummins 3.4 gear..... 20 mpg pretty common. Deleted or not. Just an observation from work.

Injector failure common? I’d put that in the “not really” department. My only injector concerns are pumps and injectors on old junk like my 01 that was designed “pre” ulsd. For that I add a little 2 cycle oil, especially towing in the hot summer months. I do agree that the “tolerances” that these newer injectors use is on the stupid side.... these are work vehicles, not lab rats!

Def issues.... few and far between. Think I’ve replaced 3 def pumps ($$$), few SCR catalysts here and there ($$$)

Were old diesels better? Yes and no.... the ease and simplicity of an old P pumped 12 valve made for a great cheap reliable sub powered vehicle. Sure it’d get the job done, just don’t be in a hurry. The newer ones (14+) you can enjoy 900lbft torque and get pretty good mpg with the right combo.... (read: NOT a 4.10 geared 4x4 dually!)







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