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Wilwood disc brakes and master cylinder bore very hard pedal #2767231
04/22/20 09:13 PM
04/22/20 09:13 PM
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I put wilwood 4 wheel disc brakes on my 68 charger still using factory pedal. The brakes are for 15 inch wheels I can get the part number if needed. The master cylinder bore is 1 1/8, I have an 8inch dual booster. There is no way I can get the brakes to lock up the pedal is like standing on a brick, the car will stop but is not right. I'm thinking I need to go to a smaller bore, but what size options are 7/8, 15/16 or 1inch. Has anyone here dealt with this?

Re: Wilwood disc brakes and master cylinder bore very hard pedal [Re: 1st_charger] #2767242
04/22/20 09:34 PM
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Re: Wilwood disc brakes and master cylinder bore very hard pedal [Re: 1st_charger] #2767246
04/22/20 09:48 PM
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Is your vacuum booster getting vacuum and actually working? "Standing on a brick" is a pretty common way to describe a boosted system with no assist.


I have manual Wilwood discs and started with a 7/8" bore and moved up to a 15/16" to reduce the stroke some. There's no reason for you to need a smaller bore, in my opinion. I have no problem locking the car down with manual 4-wheel Wilwoods and a 15/16" bore.

I'd suggest verifying the booster operation, perhaps checking the caliper pressures you are getting and also thinking back on if you bed the brakes in properly.


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Re: Wilwood disc brakes and master cylinder bore very hard pedal [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #2767415
04/23/20 12:48 PM
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Ok did some checking and with engine off pressed down on brake pedal and held then started car and pedal might have moved 1/4 inch. Hooked up an external vacuum pump that pulls 27 inches and had the same result but with the engine off I could hear a shhh sound very time I pressed the brake. Also measured and the pedal is only moving 1.5 inches from rest.

Re: Wilwood disc brakes and master cylinder bore very hard pedal [Re: 1st_charger] #2767427
04/23/20 01:18 PM
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Some of the "big" Wilwood calipers have small bores. The area of the pistons is what matters. I got caught on that, once, years ago. Figured big calipers, big MC. Measure the bores, do the math and it makes sense.

Went from 1 1/8 to 7/8. Went from using 2 feet to stop to going through the windshield if you want. Pedal travel was a touch long for my taste but not a deal breaker. Owner liked it so... Don't remember the car having power brakes. Worked fine without it.

Power brakes make a difference.


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