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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: skicker] #2762298
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Originally Posted by skicker
Snopes... pity

Exactly why your statement is a half truth...

Read around a little...

What happened to the budget for the CDC?

Problem with too many people is they believe everything as soon as they read it...some may verify it's authenticity...some may not...

Others will read several articles considering the slant in each and then make a informed decision for themselves...

This is where something as simple as common sense comes into play...Word is it's the least common of all sense's...

I can assure you I don't need you or anyone else to decide for me...I put in the work to be well informed...

That's why when you blatantly lie and post crap for others to read I will call you out on it...Redditt this place ain't...





Snopes is the first one that came up in a Google search but there's plenty of other sources that can provide you the same info.

I don't know you but you don't know me either so I'll provide a little insight into my world. Think about what I list here and let me know if you believe I am the person you presume me to be;

#1, pretty much above all else, I love muscle-era Mopars, hot rods, drag racing and turning wrenches
I pay my taxes
I live in the house I grew up in
I detest globalization
I earn my pay and make my own economy
I don't live beyond my means
I care about some people but not everyone
I am a good husband, father and friend

But clearly there is some sort of fundamental difference between how how we think. Is that wrong?

Like it or not, what I posted is a fact. You can twist it around any way you like to suit your views but the fact remains that there is no National Pandemic Response team. Given the current circumstances, don't you think it might be a good thing to have something like that in place?

But hey, I'm all for it if you think its beneficial to the discussion to prove this particular fact is somehow false and dismantling the office was a good idea. Knock yourself out.


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2762333
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Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
This is from your article

Updated to clarify that cuts to programs intended to fight epidemics globally did not take place.
Updated to clarify that the 2018 reductions in CDC efforts referenced were a result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration.
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Conveniently left that out I guess. He really should see the cherry blossoms...


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: McCandlessboy] #2762335
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Originally Posted by McCandlessboy
...... My point is that the healthy population isn't having to go to the hospital. Health population defined as under 50 with no preexisting conditions that have been identified..... ..... All we've done by isolating everyone is ensure a 2nd curve will happen.


I partly agree with this, however it is seen healthy under 50 people w/o pec are finding their way into beds at hospitals. Smokers? Asthma? Heart Murmurs? Who knows, yet they are. You wrote that population needs to get sick and recover to basically increase the herd immunity, do not forget the virus is known to mutate. If it's having difficulties in healthy younger people inc. infants, I think it may be a sad day should those populations be targeted by a variant. Second, third or more cycles may likely happen people are going to continue to die. We need a vaccine.

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: srt] #2762337
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A vaccine is too far off. I'd settle for an effective treatment at this point.


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2762355
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Keep consistent sleep wake times to strengthen defenses against virus

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-healthy-circadian-rhythm-sane-resilience.html

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“Laughing Gas” nitric oxide to be tested against COVID

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-clinical-trial-underway-nitric-oxide.html

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Nitric oxide has been found to improve blood flow in areas of the lungs still receiving air, increasing the amount of oxygen in the blood stream.

Along with being used to treat failing lungs, nitric oxide has been found to have antiviral properties against coronaviruses. That was shown during the 2002 to 2003 severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) outbreak, which was caused by a coronavirus similar to the one that causes COVID-19.

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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2762361
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Originally Posted by 360view
Keep consistent sleep wake times to strengthen defenses against virus

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-healthy-circadian-rhythm-sane-resilience.html

That's out the window since I've been up here. Going to bed later, getting up later but sleeping through the night now for the most part. Something I haven't done for a long time.


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2762363
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Overweight might be most serious other condition for COVID

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-virus-men-overweight-people-harder.html

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: RMCHRGR] #2762368
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Originally Posted by RMCHRGR

But clearly there is some sort of fundamental difference between how how we think. Is that wrong?

Like it or not, what I posted is a fact.


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I don't live beyond my means
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I am a good husband, father and friend"

I don't live in the house I grew up in but other than that I'd say were about the same...

You may have me a little beat on the last one but we play the hand we're dealt... shruggy

The only real fundamental difference is that I'm not going to post a slanted opinion piece and call that a fact.

Snopes would be the first one on Google search...that doesn't make it the only one...That would make it the first one someone wants you to read...

It's not a personal attack on you...I simply disagree with the proof you provide for what has established your view...

Ted has made it abundantly clear this thread is not to go political...yet you repeatedly throw your "thinly veiled" references in...

Your entire existence in this thread has been to direct "blame"...not offer information or links to treatment analysis...

Wrong place...wrong time...Dude...


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Reporter argues wrong data fed into medical death prediction models has led to wrong economic decisions.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ex-nyt-reporter-challenging-the-coronavirus-narrative

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That ranks right up with any of the polarizing reports I've seen written.
Credibility. Responsibility.
Lets keep this about an illness not ______________.

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Originally Posted by srt
That ranks right up with any of the polarizing reports I've seen written.
Credibility. Responsibility.
Lets keep this about an illness not ______________.

Some just can't seem to let it go. Any opportunity to bash the other side is fair game to them. Forget about working together, helping your fellow man or any of that, but it's been that way and they aren't going to stop now. Pretty disgusting really.


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Guitar Jones] #2762444
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Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by srt
That ranks right up with any of the polarizing reports I've seen written.
Credibility. Responsibility.
Lets keep this about an illness not ______________.

Some just can't seem to let it go. Any opportunity to bash the other side is fair game to them. Forget about working together, helping your fellow man or any of that, but it's been that way and they aren't going to stop now. Pretty disgusting really.


Its like 15 sheep walking in a row. All you see is what in front of your face, nothing to the sides or whats behind. You don't see the sneaky Wolf coming behind and snatching your followers one at a time.

Watching just _____*_____ news and believing 100% what they say is being just as blind to whats happening around you. You'll only see one side, the one you want. .

* insert your left/right wing news channel. They all are full of [censored].

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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: skicker] #2762499
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I'm not going to post a slanted opinion piece and call that a fact.

This is the way it is in our current state of discourse. This country is so polarized these days no one trusts anything anymore. You can be sure that I don't trust the nonsense that comes from certain outlets. People get their information from where they choose now, it's not just Walter Conkite on the evening news

Regardless, the story happened. Deny it all you want but there is no longer a National Pandemic Response Office because the current administration closed it trying to cut costs. Is there an alternate story that you are privy to that sheds a different light on the subject? If so, post up and prove me wrong.

No slant, just facts.

I simply disagree with the proof you provide for what has established your view...

This is a no-win situation. I can post the same information from any number of sources but you'd shoot them all down saying they are slanted, biased, half truths etc.

Ted has made it abundantly clear this thread is not to go political...yet you repeatedly throw your "thinly veiled" references in...

I'm all for real clarity if it wouldn't get me banned so I'll stick to my "thinly veiled" references for now. I'm not hiding from or behind anything either. What's your story?

Your entire existence in this thread has been to direct "blame"...not offer information or links to treatment analysis...

I didn't know offering information, links or treatment analysis was a requirement to participate in the thread. Either way, I take the situation seriously because I have to and that's the morally correct thing to do.

At the same time, I don't like how the situation was handled by our government, don't care to buy into far flung and/or paranoid theories about where the virus came from, definitely don't like our highest level elected government officials pushing unproven and in some cases dangerous treatments and would rather take guidance from those who are learned and/or have many years of experience on the subject of treating infectious diseases.

Am I supposed to sit here and not speak my mind?

Wrong place...wrong time...Dude...

Definitely.


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: RMCHRGR] #2762507
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This is from your article

Updated to clarify that cuts to programs intended to fight epidemics globally did not take place.
Updated to clarify that the 2018 reductions in CDC efforts referenced were a result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration.
EDIT
This was DIRECT from your post.. zero words changed
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2762512
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Ramrod39] #2762533
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Casey Jones can slow this train wreck down, let's get back to the problem at hand.
Easing through the pandemic and getting the economy moving again is being closely looked at by the best people the Country now has on board.
In the past day or two Homeland Security and Health and Human Srvices made projections on the resurge of infections if the stay guidance/orders are lifted too soon. https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...4eea9e302d8825/optimized/full.pdf#page=1
Beside the number of ill and dead that will not be making their home and credit payments the economy and economic maneuvers of the past several years is barrelling at us full steam. 2021 is poised to be a shambles for whomever is behind the reins. The virus and actions of the fast few weeks are only partly to blame.
Keep in mind simpler times are on the horizon, the dust will settle, cv flareups may likely or perhaps not, and people will be hurting. financially.

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: srt] #2762535
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Another thing we'll have to contend with once we get everything going again, is that some jobs just may not be there anymore.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/business/coronavirus-workplace-automation.html


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I have one big concern... people will get fed up quick with the lock down and start going out in
groups then it spreading more/again and if this does happen all if this will last a long time.. I
sure hope not
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2762538
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Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
This is from your article

Updated to clarify that cuts to programs intended to fight epidemics globally did not take place.
Updated to clarify that the 2018 reductions in CDC efforts referenced were a result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration.
EDIT
This was DIRECT from your post.. zero words changed
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RMCHRGER....what Mr P Body posted here is true. Are you going to address this? The point you were trying to make with your “facts” in in serious factual error.

You messed up.

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