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50 year Ang. 426 challenger #2757868
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With only a few months left. For fca to cash in on the 50tg Anv. Of the 426 hemi challenger to the public.... do you think they will drop the ball ? Or do you think something will be unveiled very soon to the public ?
I'm refering to vin.tag type cars.....
It sure has been quite on the rumors


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Re: 50 year Ang. 426 challenger [Re: toplescuda] #2757900
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Well, FCA celebrated the 50th Anniversary of the Daytona Charger with a 2020 model. What does that tell you?


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Same car with a sticker really.
They have been working on a 426 motor. A 426 2020 challenger 50 Anv. Will be gone in what 4 months? Will miss a chance of lifetime to cash in on that


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426 was supposedly cancelled months ago. 50th anniversary challenger is already on sale, its a wide body with a sticker and different rims

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50th Anniversary Challenger was announced awhile ago....

Shaker cars with stickers, available in 4 models & 7 colors including an ugly gold.
No 426.... but can get a 392 widebody.



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Re: 50 year Ang. 426 challenger [Re: toplescuda] #2758572
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It is amazing that the Hellcats have sold as well as they have, given how bad FCA has missed the mark on their sales forcasts. First, they radically underestimated how many '15s they could sell. Then, screwed all the '15 buyers by building more than they could sell in '16. Then they pulled a bunch of standard equipment off so they could drop the price last year again screwing previous buyers. Now we have Power Dollars further denting residual values. Then, they dropped the Daytona 50th anniversary stripes in 2020 and now have really missed a real opportunity by just offering a set of stripes for the 50th anniversary of the original Hemi Challenger.

And that doesn't go into the 4 door Charger debacle, the AAR style hood on the T/A rip-off, and how many believe the Shaker should have been saved for the Hellcats. But since FCA has totally abandoned the 2nd Gen Hemi, they probably don't want any semblance of an acknowledgement of them on the current models.

And one last thing; many, many members of Hellcat web boards HATE FCA customer service and most servicing dealers. There are, of course satisfied customers, but the level of unhappiness and number of complaints directly reflects the fact that FCA ranks very low in customer satisfaction surveys. Many Hellcat owners are first time FCA customers, but will not be repeat customers.

Just as with the 50th Anniversary of the Daytona Charger and the 50th Anniversary of the original Hemi Challenger, FCA's substandard service and response has cost them golden opportunities to build long term relationships with new customers. But they did that 50 years ago too so, nothing new here.


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Re: 50 year Ang. 426 challenger [Re: toplescuda] #2758579
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2nd gen Hemi came out in 64, how is 2020 50th anniversary of this? Oh Reread question hemi Challenger.....The new "Hemi" is really a pent roof anyway.

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Re: 50 year Ang. 426 challenger [Re: HemiRick] #2758694
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I have a hellcat. Challenger Bought new in 15. I love the car. Will have it till we both pass away. The shaker hood. I flat would not bought the car if that was the hood that came one it. It looks like crap. Could not give me one

The 16 cars. They didn't make to many. Only like 6500 or so. I like the fact that there is a to. Of hellcat ,s built. At some point. These motors will be in salvage yards. And Into other hot rods.....most hellcat..owners now. Are flavor of the week cars n Coffey bragging rights type of people. And not even mopar people anyway...

Is the motor that is in the drag pak..not a 426.....(drag pak..not drag pack)


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Re: 50 year Ang. 426 challenger [Re: toplescuda] #2758697
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Originally Posted by toplescuda
I have a hellcat. Challenger Bought new in 15. I love the car. Will have it till we both pass away. The shaker hood. I flat would not bought the car if that was the hood that came one it. It looks like crap. Could not give me one

The 16 cars. They didn't make to many. Only like 6500 or so. I like the fact that there is a to. Of hellcat ,s built. At some point. These motors will be in salvage yards. And Into other hot rods.....most hellcat..owners now. Are flavor of the week cars n Coffey bragging rights type of people. And not even mopar people anyway...

Is the motor that is in the drag pak..not a 426.....(drag pak..not drag pack)

I agree with you on the shaker hood... don't hate it, but the AAR hood is 100x better looking.
Plus I doubt the shaker would fit on top of the blower....

They did however make pretty many Hellcats in '16

2015 Model Year
20,794 R/T
8,382 Scat Pack
4,497 SRT 392
7,168 SRT Hellcat

2016 Model Year
15,909 - R/T
13,768 - R/T Scat Pack
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11,995 - SRT Hellcat


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Re: 50 year Ang. 426 challenger [Re: Runner2go] #2758711
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Originally Posted by Runner2go
50th Anniversary Challenger was announced awhile ago....

Shaker cars with stickers, available in 4 models & 7 colors including an ugly gold.
No 426.... but can get a 392 widebody.



But wouldn't any gold be a perfect color for a 50th (Golden) Anniversary (Challenger) Edition? Just saying.

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Well happy birthday to them! Maybe they should at least revamp the color gold. Make the color modern at least

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Originally Posted by toplescuda

The 16 cars. They didn't make to many. Only like 6500 or so.


There were still many new '16s on dealer lots 18 months after the model year ended. Our local small town dealership ordered 2 Hellcat Challengers for inventory. They called me for over a year with discount offers on one of them. Too many vehicles built is no particular number of cars. It is just more cars built than can be sold. Which, according to supply and demand, negatively impacts the value of those vehicles. Most '15 buyers paid sticker or even over sticker for one of a limited number of Hellcats. An oversupply of '16s wiped that value out.

Because of that, the Challenger Hellcats suffered a depreciation rate of over $600 a month for years. Today, you can buy any number of nice, low mileage Challenger Hellcats for low $40ks. Black, stick shift cars are even cheaper. Much of that hit was because of FCA's poor decisions.

As of today, there are literally hundreds of used Hellcats for sale so there is no chance of prices stabilizing anytime soon. In fact, with what is happening in the world right now, that number will probably grow.

I personally have almost pulled the trigger on a Hellcat several times. But ever single time I am ready to buy one, a better deal comes along and I hold off. Right now, I have a white 20,000 mile '16 Challenger with a couple of mods being offered to me for $39k. I really like the car and it is not too far away. But now, with this virus thing, I feel that $39k may not be the best buy. I wonder if I can get a nice low mileage Hellcat for $35k this spring? Maybe less?

I'll just drive my HemiCuda until the right deal comes along. Those thousands of dollars are just as good in my pocket as anyone else's. Maybe even better.

As to Hellcat engines hitting the junk yards for swapping into other cars, that swap is not for the faint of heart. And it's expensive. We won't be seeing a ton of that happening.

I agree that many of the Hellcat buyers were not Mopar people. But FCA screwed up their ownership experience to the point that they will never, ever buy another FCA product. And their collective experiences play a role in my decision. At first, I wanted a unit with factory warranty left. But not now. Not with the many, many unhappy customers. Now, I just want a nice used one as cheap as possible, so I can handle any problems down the road out of pocket and with the ability to choose the service center that I want. Or do it myself like I always have.


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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
Originally Posted by toplescuda

The 16 cars. They didn't make to many. Only like 6500 or so.


There were still many new '16s on dealer lots 18 months after the model year ended. Our local small town dealership ordered 2 Hellcat Challengers for inventory. They called me for over a year with discount offers on one of them. Too many vehicles built is no particular number of cars. It is just more cars built than can be sold. Which, according to supply and demand, negatively impacts the value of those vehicles. Most '15 buyers paid sticker or even over sticker for one of a limited number of Hellcats. An oversupply of '16s wiped that value out.

Because of that, the Challenger Hellcats suffered a depreciation rate of over $600 a month for years. Today, you can buy any number of nice, low mileage Challenger Hellcats for low $40ks. Black, stick shift cars are even cheaper. Much of that hit was because of FCA's poor decisions.

As of today, there are literally hundreds of used Hellcats for sale so there is no chance of prices stabilizing anytime soon. In fact, with what is happening in the world right now, that number will probably grow.

I personally have almost pulled the trigger on a Hellcat several times. But ever single time I am ready to buy one, a better deal comes along and I hold off. Right now, I have a white 20,000 mile '16 Challenger with a couple of mods being offered to me for $39k. I really like the car and it is not too far away. But now, with this virus thing, I feel that $39k may not be the best buy. I wonder if I can get a nice low mileage Hellcat for $35k this spring? Maybe less?

I'll just drive my HemiCuda until the right deal comes along. Those thousands of dollars are just as good in my pocket as anyone else's. Maybe even better.

As to Hellcat engines hitting the junk yards for swapping into other cars, that swap is not for the faint of heart. And it's expensive. We won't be seeing a ton of that happening.

I agree that many of the Hellcat buyers were not Mopar people. But FCA screwed up their ownership experience to the point that they will never, ever buy another FCA product. And their collective experiences play a role in my decision. At first, I wanted a unit with factory warranty left. But not now. Not with the many, many unhappy customers. Now, I just want a nice used one as cheap as possible, so I can handle any problems down the road out of pocket and with the ability to choose the service center that I want. Or do it myself like I always have.

Anyone who bought a modern Challengers(even hellcats) thinking they were going to hold/increase value was nuts. realcrazy
It was never going to happen... some lose value slower than the rest of them, but that's as good as it gets.
The Demon is probably the only exception...

Most people remember the losses people took overpaying for 1st year Vipers & Twin Turbo Stealth's... and then saw what happened with the "limited production" Rumble Bee,(production ended up near 10k) and the lawsuits that followed, and realized Chrysler is always going to make as many as they think they can sell. Many people thought the 1st yr Challengers would "gain" in value, and put them in bubbles in the garage... it never happened. Same with the 392 IE's I bought the Mopar'10 I have, because I thought it was the closest thing they were going to make to the original T/A that I wanted since I was 10. I never thought it was going to go up in value despite the fact they made only 500... although they have held value better than any other 2010 RT, they still lost. I bought it because I wanted a better handling Challenger... which it is. It will NEVER go up in value... greenies will outlaw gas long before that ever has a chance to happen.

By the time the scat packs & T/A's came out, people had learned their lesson and had no illusions about mopars retaining value. The 1st year of Hellcats sales bought out the insanity of over paying again, as some mopar faithful wanted to snag one, along with an influx of celebrities & vett owners... Some paid $20-25k over list... they lost that $$ the day they "decided" to pay it... The celebrities paid it just to have one 1st... and they didn't care if the car's value went to $0... Most people didn't seem to realize that, and actually "thought" it meant HC's would hold there value. Many more believed lying dealers that said FCA was only going to make a limited run of a few thousand. FCA NEVER said that... Ralph Gilles at Carlisle in 2014 said right off the bat they were going to make as many as people would buy as parts & production ramped up. (He was looking to buy a 69-70 Charger) If people believed the dealer BS about "limited production", that's on them... they were never numbered, so that should have been a sign right there.

It's calmed down lately as people are finally wise to the Dealer BS, and no one really cares much anymore... But for a while, back in 2015&16 the Hellcat owners were like the Vett owners of the mopar world, (likely because many were)... They would be the ones crying about how someone bought a Hellcat from a dealer for "less than sticker" (yes some did... in 2015) while they paid $20k over, or that people were putting Hellcat Hoods on NON-Hellcats eek....
or worse "UP-BADGING" a lowly RT... with Hellcat emblems. stirthepot

There are likely close to 30,000 Hellcat Challengers out there now and 50,000+ Hellcats in general...
There should be Zero expectation that they are going to hold value over anything else.
Especially after the warranty runs out. whistling

And if you buy used from someone that can't prove the oil was changed every 6months, whether they drove it or not...
The engine warranty is already gone... frown
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Re: 50 year Ang. 426 challenger [Re: Runner2go] #2758972
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I remember guys on here saying these cars could be bought and driven and still make money selling them later when they first came out years ago. They planned on them only making a couple hundred a year for a few years, but that didn't happen.

You should just buy what you like and enjoy it and expect to loose money later. If things change and you are somehow able to make money then that is great too, but just don't buy something, declare it a collectible, and then get all bent when the rest of the world disagrees.

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The problem is how popular the car is, which has increased production and sales. The value in cars is when there is limited production with specific options. There are too many of each model except for the previously mentioned Demon. What is also special about the demon is the hood, and I believe you can get a hood unless you take it off a Demon or prove yours is damaged.

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Could be worse............Blunder Motors celebrated their 100th anniversary by going BANKRUPT. lol.

And, it's not a "Challenger". It's a Charger with 4 headlights, Chargers are 2 doors. That other thing with 4 doors is not a "Charger". It's a Coronet, they were 4 doors.

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Originally Posted by Grizzly
Could be worse............Blunder Motors celebrated their 100th anniversary by going BANKRUPT. lol.

And, it's not a "Challenger". It's a Charger with 4 headlights, Chargers are 2 doors. That other thing with 4 doors is not a "Charger". It's a Coronet, they were 4 doors.

Thank you.


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Originally Posted by Runner2go
Originally Posted by Grizzly


And, it's not a "Challenger". It's a Charger with 4 headlights, Chargers are 2 doors. That other thing with 4 doors is not a "Charger". It's a Coronet, they were 4 doors.

Thank you.


Looks like that "Other Thing" might soon be the new King of the Hill.... whistling
link: Will the Hellephant to find it's way into 4-door SRT Charger...???!! stirthepot


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Originally Posted by 1fastrunner
The problem is how popular the car is, which has increased production and sales. The value in cars is when there is limited production with specific options. There are too many of each model except for the previously mentioned Demon. What is also special about the demon is the hood, and I believe you can get a hood unless you take it off a Demon or prove yours is damaged.

There is way more to a demon to make it special then a hood...


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