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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Mastershake340] #2758023
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Don't hang all your hope on a vaccine... they don't have that great of a track record.
Better than no vaccine... but they don't stop everyone from getting whatever the vaccine is for.
This years Flu vaccine is apparently only showing a 45 % "overall" effective rate according to cdc
(Only 37% against H1N1 strains)
That's better than 0%... but certainly not the Holy Grail.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6907a1.htm?s_cid=mm6907a1_w

Going forward, treatments for corona are still going to be more important than a vaccine.
Because at 40-50% effective rate, a vaccine is still going to be a hell of a lot less effective than everyone staying in their house for 3 months. And we see how well that's going.

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2758031
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Machine can detect nearly any of +1000 viruses that infected you in the past

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-virus-scanning-tool-previous-covid-infections.html

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VirScan works by detecting antibodies, immune system proteins that can latch onto specific spots on a particular virus and hasten its destruction. Antibodies remain in the blood for years after an infection, guarding the body in case that same virus returns.

VirScan's library already spans more than 1,000 strains of virus, whose genetic sequences are turned into little chunks of viral protein. When a blood sample is added to these protein chunks, antibodies in the blood latch onto any of the viral bits they recognize.

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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2758034
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Overwhelmed, Hospitals in Europe reluctant to admit Nursing Home patients who they predict will die anyway.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-virus-dead-nursing-homes-uncounted.html

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2758036
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Originally Posted by 360view
Overwhelmed, Hospitals in Europe reluctant to admit Nursing Home patients who they predict will die anyway.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-virus-dead-nursing-homes-uncounted.html

Socialized medicine working it's wonders.... frown

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Runner2go] #2758043
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Originally Posted by Runner2go
Originally Posted by 360view
Overwhelmed, Hospitals in Europe reluctant to admit Nursing Home patients who they predict will die anyway.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-virus-dead-nursing-homes-uncounted.html

Socialized medicine working it's wonders.... frown


Changing who pays the bills has nothing to do with whether a hospital system will be overwhelmed or not.

We're rapidly on our own way to being overwhelmed right now.


If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: QuickBpBp] #2758094
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I'm surprised to see the erosion of civility. fwiw, prior to an early retirement due to a medical intervention my interrupted engineering career left me with the inability to work on cars, or our garden, or home, and I take frequent breaks. Being an engineer this entire virus ordel has captivated my attention. I'm generally healthy no quite at fighting weight of 183 @6'1" great blood pressure, don't drink, never smoked, no drugs, eat homegrown organic and chose protein wisely. I take frequent breaks that I fill my time doing some restoration of antiques, watch a little news, an occasional movie, race, some sports. I also research problems, engineers seek solutions and while not medically inclined, I like to research this and truly feel there is a lot of good information out there that many here anr not aware. If I write something you don't like, let me know, or better yet write your source, or opinion. Everyone has opinions and we're going to differ. It does not bother me, make my blood pressure rise, or nerves get irritated. I know some do, including those in high places. Does not mean they, you or I are right. We're all in the same bowl, swimming around, and occasionally paths cross, here, we're in a small bowl and ideas are concentrated. We can get along and agree to disagree. At least we're not hanging out at the shopping center, or some other place our odds are high of crossing path with someone that does not look like the reaper, yet could be.

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http://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

These recently published charts are interesting. Look how accurate it is today. Human nature creates a ever growing range of projections. Scroll down the page for additional charts. Click top center and change united states to your state.
Where will we be in two weeks?


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So I decide to mail off some of my N95 stash masks today to my adult kids.

I walk in to the PO and enter the Air conditioned service counter/customer line.

I notice the customer side is "sealed" off from the employees by a continuous hanging clear plastic barrier, like multiple shower curtains. Never seen that before. There is a vertical full length slit in front of each worker, to allow passage of money mail, packages, etc.

While standing there I notice the "curtains" are all slightly bowed in towards the workers. I also notice when the entrance door opens, the curtains all hang straight down. You see where I going with this.

So I finish my business, and ask to see the Manager.

The clerk says stand over there, she'll be out in a minute. Please note, I'm wearing my N95 mask mentioned in my previous post.

After waiting for a good ten minutes, I think I see what is going on.

I approach the clerk and tell her my observations, I think the curtains are a great idea, but the AC is making it actually less safe for the workers, I open the door to prove my point, and explain I'm only trying to help. The manger hears me conversing with the clerk, and walks out and gruffly says, " can I help you?" I recap the whole story, and finish with, all you need to do is block off with tape? to some degree the single overhead AC vent, and reduce the amount of air you are constantly blowing into your employees faces.

She nodded and said "Thanks".

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Interesting...srt..I will make my choice soon..I think I will cancel. And doc and paris401..Anymore name calling,you both will be gone. tsk

The official Coronavirus thread [Re: tboomer] #2758125
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Edit... not sure what happened to what was actually replying too... so the below may seem out of context now shruggy

I've pushed out my yearly cancer screening appointment... They said most people were doing that right now.
Last thing they need is for someone to walk through the door for a "Checkup" that doesn't know they have Covid-19, and spread it to everyone in there already actively fighting a cancer battle with Chemo & Radiation.

Probably best to stay away from Dr offices for a while. I'm sure they do there best to clean everything.
But every one I go to, has a lot of chairs with wood, plastic, & metal arms in the waiting room. .
It's got to be hard to keep them germ free, and they say it lives a long time on those surfaces.

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[quote=Runner2go]Edit... not sure what happened to what was actually replying too... so the below may seem out of context now shruggy

I've pushed out my yearly cancer screening appointment... They said most people were doing that right now.
Last thing they need is for someone to walk through the door for a "Checkup" that doesn't know they have Covid-19, and spread it to everyone in there already actively fighting a cancer battle with Chemo & Radiation.

Probably best to stay away from Dr offices for a while. I'm sure they do there best to clean everything.
But every one I go to, has a lot of chairs with wood, plastic, & metal arms in the waiting room. .
It's got to be hard to keep them germ free, and they say it lives a long time on those surfaces. [/quote/]

The more I think about it,it is scary. I wouldn't want to be in anybody's shoes that have health issues. Good luck everyone and we will survive this crap! wave

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: not_a_charger] #2758183
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Originally Posted by srt
http://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

These recently published charts are interesting. Look how accurate it is today. Human nature creates a ever growing range of projections. Scroll down the page for additional charts.
Where will we be in two weeks?



Was going to post this new webpage myself. Scroll through the list and compare some of the less populated states to New York, it's eye opening. New York is expected to reach its infection peak next week. The rest of the country is a week or two behind.

The recent projections of 1-200K deaths nationwide are based on the idea that everyone in every state cooperates and stays home. If we as a nation don't follow the recommendations, that number could be in the millions before this is all over. Think about that. And think about how taxed the healthcare system will be for so long, it's not sustainable.

Even if you look at it from a cynical viewpoint, it's still really puzzling and sad how fast our country has slid into this situation with no reasonably predictable end in sight. The fact that as of today some states have still not shut things down is astonishing. It's like the people making these decisions are living in an alternate universe. No amount of wishing will make this go away.

China is going back to work and restarting their economy. Ours could be dead in the water for months.

Our military has also been directly affected by this virus. There is a story in the news about the Navy needing to get infected sailors off a deployed air craft carrier, The Roosevelt. Ponder that for a minute while you try to wrap your head around these other scenarios.

I'll say it again that China is getting back on its feet way before us...



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You do understand that the media in China lies about everything, right?

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2758281
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The next 32 days will be the most intense.
The number of positive cases reported will double every two to three days.
Multiply these positive confirmed test cases by 20
to get “real number” of infections.

“Herd Immunity” starts when about forty percent of people have recovered and have immunity.

Forty percent of 330 million is 132 million.
Divide 132 million by 20 to get
6.6 million positive test cases.

USA at 0.2 million now.

.4
.8
1.6
3.2
6.4

Five doubles to get from 0.2 to 6.4
Two to four days for each doubling.

Big urban areas will get there faster.
More isolated rural areas will be considerably slower.

Total deaths will depend on finding a drug ( maybe Colchicine,maybe the statin drug Crestor)
to moderate the “Cytokine Storm” that is fatally damaging lungs.

If the recovered would donate plasma twice a week that has a high chance of working,
same for if we could make artificial antibodies quickly.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod39
You do understand that the media in China lies about everything, right?


What will the rank and file members of the Peoples Liberation Army think about what are such obvious lies?

It seems certain that the medical workers of mainland China are going to come away from this with strong opinions.

I did not think in 1988 that the USSR was going to do what it did.


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Originally Posted by Ramrod39
You do understand that the media in China lies about everything, right?


And?

Maybe consider that the situation here in this country would not be as dire as it is now had there not been persistent, wholesale denial from the very top of our "leadership" about the seriousness of the virus. "We'll be fine, packed churches on Easter!" Right.

We will be lucky to have packed churches next Easter.

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Originally Posted by RMCHRGR
Originally Posted by Ramrod39
You do understand that the media in China lies about everything, right?


And?

Maybe consider that the situation here in this country would not be as dire as it is now had there not been persistent, wholesale denial from the very top of our "leadership" about the seriousness of the virus. "We'll be fine, packed churches on Easter!" Right.

We will be lucky to have packed churches next Easter.


Well I for one am glad the Gov. ignored the lies coming out DC. and shut Illinois down. Even with Chicago we went from the third worse state to #7. They still don't have enough kits to even check the staff at our local hospitals even thou they've been told to. And we are the state capital with 2 hospitals and a school of medicine. Only the very worse cases who are admitted are checked. I am friends with several nurses & doctors that work there and most people who they are sure have it are told to go home without any test or treatment and quarantine for 2 weeks. There's a lot more people who have it then the numbers indicate.

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My son is in the medical field but he is off for the next few weeks because they have a new son born about
a week ago.. I hope they have a better control on this by the time he goes back.. he has no control on
which person he works on.. some will have.. some wont
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