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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: dOrk !] #2757351
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Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Doc Fauci come on the news minutes ago ... there might be 100 to 200 THOUSAND deaths in the USA in the end !





Yep and President Trump extended everything till the end of April at least. Better safe than sorry.


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Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Doc Fauci come on the news minutes ago ... there might be 100 to 200 THOUSAND deaths in the USA in the end !


Now there is a guy that has some expertise with infectious disease!

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Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Doc Fauci come on the news minutes ago ... there might be 100 to 200 THOUSAND deaths in the USA in the end !



Easy, I don't see that being a problem. The majority of are cases are either unaccounted for or just getting started. 2 weeks from now, hospitals across the Nation will look like war-zones. frown

Italy's mortality rate is over 10% at this point, seasonal flu is 0.1%.


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Now ... Mark Levin on the Cv and stimulus

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Originally Posted by GoodysGotaCuda
Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Doc Fauci come on the news minutes ago ... there might be 100 to 200 THOUSAND deaths in the USA in the end !



Easy, I don't see that being a problem. The majority of are cases are either unaccounted for or just getting started. 2 weeks from now, hospitals across the Nation will look like war-zones. frown

Italy's mortality rate is over 10% at this point, seasonal flu is 0.1%.


Over 90% of Italy's deaths, according to their own government, had MULTIPLE co-morbidities. If I get shot in the stomach and stung by a bee, saying I got killed by the bee isn't correct. It's not to downplay, but there is nothing to suggest the death rate is anywhere near 10%.

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So all the medical staff that is on the front lines and very concerned, need to relax, lose some weight, get some more exercise and sun, and sit tight for 30 days? eek


If that's what you took from my comments, then you fail at reading comprehension.

The reason our population is particularly vulnerable, is half the population is diabetic or pre diabetic. Being fat/obese isn't being address as a pre-existing condition. When they say a healthy adult has it and is on a vent, look at them. In the long term, the things I talked about would be the best preventative. In the mean time, healthy people that aren't fat, don't have the other pre existing conditions or vulnerable partners at home, should be allowed to continue with work.


Well then maybe you are calling the kettle black, because all the shortcomings you mentioned and I noted, are effectively uncorrectable in the life cycle of those with or soon to have this virus infection, so effectively meaningless, as I pointed out. Especially in regards to the health care workers who are putting their own safety aside to help others, rather then relaxing, losing some weight, getting more exercise and sun.


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Originally Posted by McCandlessboy
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Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Doc Fauci come on the news minutes ago ... there might be 100 to 200 THOUSAND deaths in the USA in the end !



Easy, I don't see that being a problem. The majority of are cases are either unaccounted for or just getting started. 2 weeks from now, hospitals across the Nation will look like war-zones. frown

Italy's mortality rate is over 10% at this point, seasonal flu is 0.1%.


Over 90% of Italy's deaths, according to their own government, had MULTIPLE co-morbidities. If I get shot in the stomach and stung by a bee, saying I got killed by the bee isn't correct. It's not to downplay, but there is nothing to suggest the death rate is anywhere near 10%.


I would expect that Italian adults are not just grossly less healthy than Americans. If you believe that's the case, it seems like optimism bias.

There are plenty of American adults with high blood pressure [33%] , diabetes [13%], cancer [5%], tobacco use, asthma [8%], COPD [7%], obesity [8%]. Just because the Italian's that have passed due to this had pre-existing conditions does not make the argument of it happening in America moot. If having a pre-existing condition increases the probability of death due to COVID and, say, 50% of American adults have a pre-exisitng condition, it doesn't take long to get to a 10% mortality rate...

https://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Resources/Forms-Reports-and-Other-Resources/preexisting

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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer



Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Doc Fauci come on the news minutes ago ... there might be 100 to 200 THOUSAND deaths in the USA in the end !





Yep and President Trump extended everything till the end of April at least. Better safe than sorry.


That is the first time since the first of January your very last sentence is an accurate one for this pandemic.


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Originally Posted by srt
Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Baden in the ENTERTAINMENT biz ? ... from what I’ve seen of him he’s as serious a MEDICAL GUY as you can get tsk

iirc he's the pathologist that been involved in several high profile cases involving investigating dead people cause of death.
I'd think it best to let the experts that investigate infectious diseases figure out how it's transmitted.


Like on the "Dream Team" for OJ's defense of Nicole's stabbing death?

Sorry, but not my first choice for unbiased medical opinions.


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Originally Posted by RMCHRGR
Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
rum Rum RUM ... what kinda Doc am I ?

Kinda SELF EXPLANATORY! You best stop hittin that flask of 151 ... R U M !

But seriously... how this damn V kills people is from the lungs being BLOCKED .. then these poor folks suffocate to death frown

Hence the need for the ventilators


No sweetheart, the lungs don't get "blocked" and people are not suffocating. Clearly your mind was elsewhere during pulmonology class in med school.

In any event, what happens to the lungs during a respiratory illness like this is their function becomes reduced or non-existent, caused by whatever complications result from being infected with a virus that has no cure. If the lungs are sick, so is the person who owns them. This is why you hear so much about people being at more at risk with those nasty pre-existing conditions like emphysema, etc. Capiche?

Also, a ventilator essentially DOES THE BREATHING FOR YOU. I know this because my kid's been on one a bunch of times. "Coming off the vent" is a big deal in the recovery process becuase that means the patient is breathing on their own without help.


I disagree, The current thinking seems to be, the virus really likes the lungs as a human petri dish, the body mounts a severe inflammation response, causing the lungs to accumulate an abundance of fluids, which soon leads to pneumonia, and one then declines due to lack of air while their lungs fill with fluids and effectively rot from the pneumonia. Also why shortness of breath is an aerly warning of the serious progression of the virus. The only upside, the patient is often in a drug induced coma ( one of the reasons why visitors are not allowed) while on a ventilator that tries to keep patient alive while body fights the virus, and as seen so far, its not always a good outcome. Sounds like a horrible way to check out. IMO.

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Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Now ... Mark Levin on the Cv and stimulus


.... on again at 11pm EST .... some relevant chat about the entire shutdown eek

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" obesity [8%]"

I couldn't find that statistic in the link, and seems very low, unless it's from 1933?

All to mean to me, nearly everyone over 65 is likely in the high risk group.

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OK , Are ALL of you "Social Distancing" ? ? ? shruggy

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Oh my ... rum needs to PUT DOWN the 151 tsk

jCc ... sure has been a busy beaver !

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Goody, all valid points. Another thing to consider is is the effects to lungs, previously damaged or not, can leave long lasting effects. This applies to young and old alike. Research in the UK suggests the lungs of coronavirus survivors could return to "apparently normal" after six months with minimal issues — like a weakened ability to exercise — those who go on to develop ARDS could "take as long as 15 years for their lungs to recover," according to FIMC (Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine the UK's professional body for intensive care doctors and practitioners). Surely, that is one research body's study. Others have suggested low oxygen levels experienced in CV19 patients blood causes other effects on organs and brain tissue. Remember it takes many days to a couple weeks to recover.
In it's current form the virus tends to effect infirm people the most. Mutations can occur when there are large numbers of people contracting the disease, and also as the virus begins to taper off from it's peak when it goes through genetic change within itself to proliferate again.

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Originally Posted by jcc
" obesity [8%]"

I couldn't find that statistic in the link, and seems very low, unless it's from 1933?

All to mean to me, nearly everyone over 65 is likely in the high risk group.


FDA recently published guidance that data is showing larger numbers of younger patients show e cigarette use.

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Originally Posted by srt
Goody, all valid points. Another thing to consider is is the effects to lungs, previously damaged or not, can leave long lasting effects. This applies to young and old alike. Research in the UK suggests the lungs of coronavirus survivors could return to "apparently normal" after six months with minimal issues — like a weakened ability to exercise — those who go on to develop ARDS could "take as long as 15 years for their lungs to recover," according to FIMC (Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine the UK's professional body for intensive care doctors and practitioners). Surely, that is one research body's study. Others have suggested low oxygen levels experienced in CV19 patients blood causes other effects on organs and brain tissue. Remember it takes many days to a couple weeks to recover.
In it's current form the virus tends to effect infirm people the most. Mutations can occur when there are large numbers of people contracting the disease, and also as the virus begins to taper off from it's peak when it goes through genetic change within itself to proliferate again.


That's the other scary part. ~80% of cases are "mild", meaning they don't require hospitalization. How many of those "mild" cases will have some amount of lasting lung damage? How much more damage will the hospitalized folks have?


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Originally Posted by jcc
" obesity [8%]"

I couldn't find that statistic in the link, and seems very low, unless it's from 1933?

All to mean to me, nearly everyone over 65 is likely in the high risk group.


You're correct that I did not put the right percentage in there. The figures are from a different link, which I have since somehow lost.

Here's what the WHO says:

Italy Obesity: 58.5% (2016)
United States Obesity: 67.9% (2016)

https://www.who.int/gho/ncd/risk_factors/overweight/en/


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I’ll betcha that Baden interview is in the net somewhere....

But I’ll also bet that Fauci does respect what Baden says and visa versa ....

AND YEAH .... Baden was on the Dream Team but not to GAME the trial like some did.

And to the ATM LICKER ... if your lung functions SHUT DOWN.... you DO suffocate.

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