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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
[Re: Pacnorthcuda]
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03/29/20 01:38 PM
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If requiring unlimited daily access to a grocery store in the beginning of a pandemic is the lack "oil" in your eyes, you might need to find another planet to inhabit.
And to answer your question then, no. To panic people into food hoarding would be one of the worst possible actions that could be taken, if restrictions are required they need to be implemented VERY carefully.
Far better to take steps to bolster the food supply chain, if it falls apart we are screwed, glued, and welded. IN red, stating the obvious. Its not FOOD RATIONING that is the issue here, its too many people in one place not far enough apart to be safe, hence my spacing things out possible suggestions. If people don't get that, and understand that, they will just peaked the curve higher, and mother nature will settle this problem. Where did you get “FOOD RATIONING” (your caps) ??? We are talking about grocery store restrictions. Please stay on-topic. Correcting "food hoarding" (your words above) is usually accomplished by "rationing" (my word), not by spacing out time wise when everyone can visit a grocery store, equally and fairly. And Lighten up a bit, this ain't a contest.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
[Re: McCandlessboy]
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03/29/20 01:46 PM
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Lot of fear mongering here.
Within 30 days there will be a standardized treatment to limit death outcome for the majority of patients. The fear now is lack of treatment. Once they have a grip on that, patients will be sent home to avoid the over crowding that is seen currently. The only people being tested in the past 2 weeks were extreme cases that were symptomatic and had other health concerns, respiratory/diabetes/etc. Out of those, less than 2% passed. Understand this subset already had significant pre-existing conditions prior. The vasty majority of the country will have no issue with this virus if contracted. If you want to put yourself in a better position to deal with it, get your weight under control, exercise and get some sunlight. The people who aren't concerned, are those that have taken care of themselves over the years. It's not difficult. Don't smoke, limit alcohol, don't overeat and get some form of exercise. While you look at all of the negative outcomes, notice the athletes that have it and have had ZERO side effects? Actors that we know of, ZERO side effects. Try to recognize some of the positive.
It will mutate over the coming years. You'll get a vaccine that may or may not limit the impact, just like the flu is currently. A treatment protocol will be put in place and only the most vulnerable (who should be taking precautions) are likely to have severe impact. Even that group will be an incredibly small percentage. I'm not trying to downplay it, but the level of reaction is based on lack of agreed upon treatment. Once that happens, we need to get back to work. I argue we should be back to work anyway for health adults and hyper isolate the vulnerable populations so wed on't blow up the entire economy. So all the medical staff that is on the front lines and very concerned, need to relax, lose some weight, get some more exercise and sun, and sit tight for 30 days? 
Last edited by jcc; 03/29/20 01:46 PM.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/29/20 02:45 PM
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Just read reports Dr Fauci feels that 100k to 200k death toll is possible. It's really time that everyone starts thinking as one with the focus being to stop this. If we don't do it ourselves as a people the toll could become unmanageable and steps toward corralling could perhaps require draconian enforcement. All the tit for tat, finger pointing, back tracking, missed opportunities, etc., needs to be water under the bridge. It's time to set course that will reduce, isolate and heal. In my best Monty Python voice "The Records Stuck, The Records Stuck, The Records...." Lets hope we as people can make it reduce before it mutates and prepare for round two. It will be 12 to 18 months before this becomes a black blot on the earths timeline.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/29/20 04:49 PM
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/29/20 05:06 PM
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Michael Baden was on Fox some minutes ago and I THOUGHT I HEARD HIM kind of say that the only way to get the virus IN to where its damaging is breathing it in and getting it into the liungs ...
So if it is EATEN - on food - and doesn’t get into the lungs it’s virtually harmless? In all seriousness, (if that's possible) can you explain how that particular bit of information is A) useful or B) helpful on any level? Take your time, I've got all month! This is taken directly from the front page of the CDC website which incidentally, anyone with a device connected to the internet can and should access; It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.Jeez,where has the time gone today, I forgot to go down to the bank and lick the ATM buttons. Back in a flash! 
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
[Re: dOrk !]
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03/29/20 05:32 PM
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Baden in the ENTERTAINMENT biz ? ... from what I’ve seen of him he’s as serious a MEDICAL GUY as you can get  iirc he's the pathologist that been involved in several high profile cases involving investigating dead people cause of death. I'd think it best to let the experts that investigate infectious diseases figure out how it's transmitted. I think the sensationalism aspect and demonizing experts at this time can increase infections. There are published reports,vs tv news, that eating hot food (3 min at 148*) is considered safe. I'd beware putting cold or tepid unwashed food in my pie hole.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
[Re: dOrk !]
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03/29/20 05:52 PM
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YOU need to focus !
The virus needs to get IN THE LUNGS to cause the problems - FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
And if you LICK the ATM keyboard - and STIR UP the virus there - you can then BREATHE IT IN What kind of Dr. are you anyway? Maybe one side benefit of breathing all those fiberglass fibers for however many years made your lungs impervious to whatever disease is in your bloodstream, regardless of whether it was eaten, breathed in or absorbed from licking the grab handle in the men's room at Cracker Barrel. In any event, you're somewhat right but if you read between the lines (I know, it's hard) what I'm saying here is that we (good 'ol US of A {sorry, I know too many parentheses in one post, more coming too}) need to stop looking for someone to wave a magic wand and make this situation go away. No matter how hard you try to find some kernel of "hope" that the virus is not as invincible as it appears to be, things are not going to turn around until EVERYONE (doubters included) does their part to help stop the spread of it. That means public officials need to lock everything down and start working together for the benefit of the people that elected them into office. But whether they ultimately do their jobs or not, people need to stay home so they're not out there breathing on each other. At least that will make it somewhat safer for those of us who need to go out and lick stuff.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/29/20 06:01 PM
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rum Rum RUM ... what kinda Doc am I ? Kinda SELF EXPLANATORY! You best stop hittin that flask of 151 ... R U M ! But seriously... how this damn V kills people is from the lungs being BLOCKED .. then these poor folks suffocate to death  Hence the need for the ventilators
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/29/20 06:38 PM
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So all the medical staff that is on the front lines and very concerned, need to relax, lose some weight, get some more exercise and sun, and sit tight for 30 days? If that's what you took from my comments, then you fail at reading comprehension. The reason our population is particularly vulnerable, is half the population is diabetic or pre diabetic. Being fat/obese isn't being address as a pre-existing condition. When they say a healthy adult has it and is on a vent, look at them. In the long term, the things I talked about would be the best preventative. In the mean time, healthy people that aren't fat, don't have the other pre existing conditions or vulnerable partners at home, should be allowed to continue with work.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/29/20 06:54 PM
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Doctor from New York last night on the TV said the main way people are getting it is from touching their unclean hands to their face (eyes, nose, mouth). Don't touch your face after handing the gas pump handle, any money, public door handles, ect.
I went to a gas station last week and they had a sign on the register asking people to use plastic rather than cash if you are able to. Money is very dirty and who knows who's hands have been on it you know? I’ve been using plastic EVERYWHERE.... Gas pumps ... good point .... I have a spray bottle of water and bleach mix in the car .... There is NO hand sanitizer ANYWHERE
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/29/20 06:59 PM
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rum Rum RUM ... what kinda Doc am I ? Kinda SELF EXPLANATORY! You best stop hittin that flask of 151 ... R U M ! But seriously... how this damn V kills people is from the lungs being BLOCKED .. then these poor folks suffocate to death Hence the need for the ventilators No sweetheart, the lungs don't get "blocked" and people are not suffocating. Clearly your mind was elsewhere during pulmonology class in med school. In any event, what happens to the lungs during a respiratory illness like this is their function becomes reduced or non-existent, caused by whatever complications result from being infected with a virus that has no cure. If the lungs are sick, so is the person who owns them. This is why you hear so much about people being at more at risk with those nasty pre-existing conditions like emphysema, etc. Capiche? Also, a ventilator essentially DOES THE BREATHING FOR YOU. I know this because my kid's been on one a bunch of times. "Coming off the vent" is a big deal in the recovery process becuase that means the patient is breathing on their own without help.
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