Re: The official Coronavirus thread
[Re: Pacnorthcuda]
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03/28/20 10:39 AM
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Have not heard anything about Russia and what their numbers are like.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
[Re: Pacnorthcuda]
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03/28/20 11:14 AM
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Yes, of course we need food to eat.
But reducing the trips to the grocery store would certainly help, maybe like you can only go once a week, based on your tag number, house number, birthday or something else fair to all.
Still don't see why they don't at least only open alternating check out counter lanes. That’s a real slippery slope. PANIC. UNHEARD OF HOARDING, BLACKMARKET FOOD SALES. Inciting panic right now would be a horrific NEXT STEP. Pray we don’t go there. The irrational TP shortage is a prime example of how ‘delicate’ pun intended, this really is. The pseudo "panic" was because of the lack of vision/altruism of the big box stores ( or officials) to simply limit the sales of 1 package to a customer. The big box stores had no dog in the fight to prevent "panic", their goal is to sell stuff, and make money, being better for them in one week rather then spread out over weeks. Slopes aren't slippery until you wet them.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/28/20 11:29 AM
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Yes, of course we need food to eat.
But reducing the trips to the grocery store would certainly help, maybe like you can only go once a week, based on your tag number, house number, birthday or something else fair to all.
Still don't see why they don't at least only open alternating check out counter lanes. That’s a real slippery slope. PANIC. UNHEARD OF HOARDING, BLACKMARKET FOOD SALES. Inciting panic right now would be a horrific NEXT STEP. Pray we don’t go there. The irrational TP shortage is a prime example of how ‘delicate’ pun intended, this really is. The pseudo "panic" was because of the lack of vision/altruism of the big box stores ( or officials) to simply limit the sales of 1 package to a customer. The big box stores had no dog in the fight to prevent "panic", their goal is to sell stuff, and make money, being better for them in one week rather then spread out over weeks. Slopes aren't slippery until you wet them. And you are advocating dumping oil all over the slope. Be careful. I don’t want to live in your version of the US.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
[Re: Pacnorthcuda]
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03/28/20 11:46 AM
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If requiring unlimited daily access to a grocery store in the beginning of a pandemic is the lack "oil" in your eyes, you might need to find another planet to inhabit.
And to answer your question then, no.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
[Re: jcc]
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03/28/20 11:52 AM
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If requiring unlimited daily access to a grocery store in the beginning of a pandemic is the lack "oil" in your eyes, you might need to find another planet to inhabit.
And to answer your question then, no. To panic people into food hoarding would be one of the worst possible actions that could be taken, if restrictions are required they need to be implemented VERY carefully. Far better to take steps to bolster the food supply chain, if it falls apart we are screwed, glued, and welded.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
[Re: jcc]
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03/28/20 12:29 PM
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Yes, of course we need food to eat.
But reducing the trips to the grocery store would certainly help, maybe like you can only go once a week, based on your tag number, house number, birthday or something else fair to all. Kinda like the "odd/even" plate scenario gas rationing during the early 70's oil embargo, double row lines of vehicles for blocks, disabled vehicles out of gas, irate/threatening customers, fist fights, assorted fender benders, attached plates, blatant violators, etc, etc,....I was a gas jockey during those times, wasn't a pretty sight... I don't think we need a repeat of Gov't imposed rationing. Right now it seems somewhat orderly with the exception of the TP buying/hoarding frenzy (I sure the rest of the world is having a good laugh at us over this) the only sad point in this mess, is the State Gov'ts that allowed large scale gatherings across the countries like parades, spring breaks, beach goings, etc, etc only for the sole purpose of generating $$$$$$$ with no regard for the consequences.... Mike
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/28/20 01:32 PM
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Yes, of course we need food to eat.
But reducing the trips to the grocery store would certainly help, maybe like you can only go once a week, based on your tag number, house number, birthday or something else fair to all.
Still don't see why they don't at least only open alternating check out counter lanes. Probably 500-1000 people in our local walmart yesterday & Wife said there were still only 4 checkouts open, out of 16 Another 10 self-checkouts open in the little horseshoe shaped corral down at the one end... People could have practiced all the "distancing" they want while shopping, but that went right out the window at checkout. And another point... while I think the entire covid-19 thing is overblown given the CDC facts on this years yearly flu stats week ending 3/21: "CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 39 million flu illnesses, 400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 deaths from flu." (The majority within a 12 week span; killing only 1000 last week) Note: So far this year 7.4% of ALL DEATHS in the US are from flu stains, with H1N1('09 swine flu) leading the wayI still think it some basic common sense should be applied during a known virus outbreak. That said... our 3 local Grocery stores all still had their "Salad bars open on until at least Tue of this week" ... (I hit them all that day, in search of spaghetti & Hand sanitizer... came up empty) I think if they were serious, they should have ordered salad bars & buffets closed right off the bat. I saw they were closed last night. Maybe require stores to put certain vegies in bags. Like peppers & tomato's, lemons (covid lives for days on smooth surfaces)Since people pick up every single one, looking for the right one... same for fresh food in plastic containers, where people check dates. But above all... if you are going to close down a County & threaten fines,,, Then give more warning than "A quarantine goes into effect TONIGHT a 8pm) of the same dam day. IF anyone unknowingly had the virus in our area... They likely spread it to hundreds of people yesterday on that piss poor decision.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/28/20 01:45 PM
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Please do not take this political. Listening to FOX news, the President just announced he is thinking about quarantining and locking the borders of New York, New Jersey and another state so no travel outside. I expect mass traffic of New Yorkers panicking and leaving. 2/3's are probably infected and now will be spreading the wealth to neighboring states. We have become Wuhan China and Milan Italy when their governments 'Announced' days in advance of lock downs.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/28/20 01:50 PM
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The Whole Foods Market near me is opening only every-other register. They limit the number of people in the store at any given time and also limit the number of certain type of items to prevent hoarding. There is one checkout line with enforced social distancing and a director who sends you to the next open register. This seems to be working and has not incited panic. I know this from my neighbor who works there. I haven't left the house in weeks. If I need something, I have it delivered to my porch, decontaminate it, then bring it inside.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/28/20 02:51 PM
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This is a pretty interesting article, with some genetic research. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-coronavirus-strains-mutation/5080571002Chiu’s analysis shows California’s strict shelter in place efforts appear to be working.
Over half of the 50 SARS-CoV-2 virus genomes his San Francisco-based lab sequenced in the past two weeks are associated with travel from outside the state. Another 30% are associated with health care workers and families of people who have the virus.
“Only 20% are coming from within the community. It’s not circulating widely,” he said.
That’s fantastic news, he said, indicating the virus has not been able to gain a serious foothold because of social distancing.
It's like a wildfire, Chiu said. A few sparks might fly off the fire and land in the grass and start new fires. But if the main fire is doused and its embers stomped out, you can kill off an entire strain. In California, Chiu sees a lot of sparks hitting the ground, most coming from Washington, but they're quickly being put out.
An example was a small cluster of cases in Solano County, northeast of San Francisco. Chiu’s team did a genetic analysis of the virus that infected patients there and found it was most closely related to a strain from China.
At the same time, his lab was sequencing a small cluster of cases in the city of Santa Clara in Silicon Valley. They discovered the patients there had the same strain as those in Solano County. Chiu believes someone in that cluster had contact with a traveler who recently returned from Asia.
“This is probably an example of a spark that began in Santa Clara, may have gone to Solano County but then was halted,” he said.
The virus, he said, can be stopped.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/28/20 02:58 PM
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If your complaining about the quarantine.. that's your governors call this is state by state so far Yes it is... and said individual has proved to be a moron. Closed every rest stop in the state right off the bat... actually roped them off.Trucker's went absolutely nuts & he had to order them re-opened for parking just days later.Then ordered all the gun shops closed... One sued the same day & Judges told him he was going to be sued by every single one in the state... so that was reversed 2. Ordered every school in the State closed, at a time when they only had an issue in Phila & Pitts... So kids everywhere lost out, even though it took another 2weeks to spread outside the 2 original infected cities. The original counties closed had 48-72hr notices The mostly rural Counties closed yesterday... got a whole 10hrs... And they have an average of less than 20 cases ea, out of the 100's of thousands living in each. Please do not take this political. We have become Wuhan China and Milan Italy when their governments 'Announced' days in advance of lock downs. Think of NYC as a Giant Cruise Ship... the same people in close quarters every day, just on a larger scale. And we now know how well things went on the ships. My little Bro (51) is living in Brooklyn.... And can't leave, because his GF is fighting Cancer and needs to stay close to Sloan Kettering Cancer center. Getting to and from is going to be a challenge now The last thing she needs is to add Covid into the mix.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/28/20 03:36 PM
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Good vid PBR, Honetly im spooked to hell. Ive chronic lung issues and am at the later end of things. If I get it, Im pretty sure im F-ed. Here is what came from my lungs last night, and I dont have this new virus yet. Wow!!! This guys explains what is going to kill people very well.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/28/20 04:39 PM
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Canadian Doctor Matt Strauss https://spectator.us/herd-immunity-crucial-fight-against-coronavirus/Sample quote Some have suggested that using that delay to increase life support capacity (i.e. sourcing mechanical ventilators) in hospital intensive care units could help. Sadly, preliminary (and limited) data suggests that up to 90 percent of COVID-19 patients who go on life support will die. So ‘more ventilators’ does not seem like the game-changer we seek. As a life support specialist, myself, I am greatly chagrined to admit this. Snip Germany currently has identified 31,554 active COVID-19 cases, and has had 149 deaths. While in South Korea around 120 of its 9,000 COVID-19 cases have so far ended in death, leading to a crude mortality rate of 1.3 percent. This downward trajectory of the COVID-19 mortality rate has caused the prominent scientist, Dr John Ioannidis of Stanford University, to speculate that it may end up being as low as 0.05 percent. Snip I am glad that extreme social distancing has been enforced. I do not think that either the young or the old would have taken the pandemic seriously until they saw schools and offices close. But once these measures have proven their effect, and the virus is demonstrably suppressed, public health authorities could consider ratcheting restrictions down in a way that respects demographic vulnerability. Perhaps two weeks from now, healthy people under 40 could return to work provided that they have no vulnerable people in their household. Perhaps a week after that, healthy people aged 40 to 50 could join them, and nurseries could reopen. End quote
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/28/20 06:16 PM
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Canadian Doctor Matt Strauss https://spectator.us/herd-immunity-crucial-fight-against-coronavirus/Sample quote Some have suggested that using that delay to increase life support capacity (i.e. sourcing mechanical ventilators) in hospital intensive care units could help. Sadly, preliminary (and limited) data suggests that up to 90 percent of COVID-19 patients who go on life support will die. So ‘more ventilators’ does not seem like the game-changer we seek. As a life support specialist, myself, I am greatly chagrined to admit this. Snip Germany currently has identified 31,554 active COVID-19 cases, and has had 149 deaths. While in South Korea around 120 of its 9,000 COVID-19 cases have so far ended in death, leading to a crude mortality rate of 1.3 percent. This downward trajectory of the COVID-19 mortality rate has caused the prominent scientist, Dr John Ioannidis of Stanford University, to speculate that it may end up being as low as 0.05 percent. Snip I am glad that extreme social distancing has been enforced. I do not think that either the young or the old would have taken the pandemic seriously until they saw schools and offices close. But once these measures have proven their effect, and the virus is demonstrably suppressed, public health authorities could consider ratcheting restrictions down in a way that respects demographic vulnerability. Perhaps two weeks from now, healthy people under 40 could return to work provided that they have no vulnerable people in their household. Perhaps a week after that, healthy people aged 40 to 50 could join them, and nurseries could reopen. End quote If you've ever been innervated and placed on a ventilator you will understand that recovery just from that is very hard. I could not talk well for 3 weeks. It felt like I had a knot on my throat. A friend had so much damage just from the tube his vocal cords got infected and they had to do a tracheostomy. He lost his vocal cords and still breaths thru the stoma, 5 years later.
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