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Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: Challenger 1] #275667
07/13/09 01:21 PM
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I reached around the tire with it on, to access the cam bolts. I like your specs, do you have stock upper arms? If so, you might have trouble getting 3+ caster.

Mostly metric tools?




I'm running the tubular uppers from somewhere, I forgot where I got them.

Jim

Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: JF_Moparts] #275668
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I reached around the tire with it on, to access the cam bolts. I like your specs, do you have stock upper arms? If so, you might have trouble getting 3+ caster.

Mostly metric tools?




I'm running the tubular uppers from somewhere, I forgot where I got them.

Jim




With good tubular uppers, you should be able to 3+ deg positive caster. The 1/4 camber split is for road crown.

What was the name of shop did you got it aligned?

Take it to Bagge Alignment on Washington Blvd just a few blocks east of Overland. http://www.baggeandson.com/ (310)838-8485 Right accross from MGM studios.

They have been in business for over 90 years. Tom Vardon is a descendant of the original owner. The alignment guy, Paul, has been there for over 30 years. They fully understand custom and handling alignments.

My dad has been going there since the early 60's. We just had car aligned there last week. Tell them Dave Wall sent you (my Dad).

I think I have recommended them to you before.

You've got the silver 71 or the butterscotch 71? I get those two owners mixed up here on Moparts.

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Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: autoxcuda] #275669
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I reached around the tire with it on, to access the cam bolts. I like your specs, do you have stock upper arms? If so, you might have trouble getting 3+ caster.

Mostly metric tools?




I'm running the tubular uppers from somewhere, I forgot where I got them.

Jim




With good tubular uppers, you should be able to 3+ deg positive caster. The 1/4 camber split is for road crown.

What was the name of shop did you got it aligned?

Take it to Bagge Alignment on Washington Blvd just a few blocks east of Overland. http://www.baggeandson.com/ (310)838-8485 Right accross from MGM studios.

They have been in business for over 90 years. Tom Vardon is a descendant of the original owner. The alignment guy, Paul, has been there for over 30 years. They fully understand custom and handling alignments.

My dad has been going there since the early 60's. We just had car aligned there last week. Tell them Dave Wall sent you (my Dad).

I think I have recommended them to you before.

You've got the silver 71 or the butterscotch 71? I get those two owners mixed up here on Moparts.




Butterscotch.

Yes, you have recommended them to me before. I wish I was closer to them, but I'll probably make the trip due to the quality they offer.

edit: I just made the appt!

Jim

Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: JF_Moparts] #275670
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Yes, you have recommended them to me before. I wish I was closer to them, but I'll probably make the trip due to the quality they offer.

Jim




What was the name of the shop you just went to. What basic area are you in. I go to shops all over So Cal.

Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: JF_Moparts] #275671
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Butterscotch.

Yes, you have recommended them to me before. I wish I was closer to them, but I'll probably make the trip due to the quality they offer.

edit: I just made the appt!

Jim




I've seen your butterscotch car at Stabile's in Hollywood and Lion's in Torrance.

Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: autoxcuda] #275672
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Butterscotch.

Yes, you have recommended them to me before. I wish I was closer to them, but I'll probably make the trip due to the quality they offer.

edit: I just made the appt!

Jim




I've seen your butterscotch car at Stabile's in Hollywood and Lion's in Torrance.




Yep. Stabile's closed and I believe he opened a small private shop near the old one. These days I am taking my car to a small shop in the SF valley where old Mopars are a specialty. I've encouraged the owner to contribute to this forum.

Jim

Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: JF_Moparts] #275673
07/15/09 01:52 PM
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Well, I got the alignment done by Bagge & Son and wow, what a great job they did!

Here's what they did:

Left:
Camber: -.06
Caster: 2.8
Toe: 0.07

Right:
Camber: -.05
Caster: 3.2
Toe: 0.12

It steers very well, but there's still a little vibration at about 60mph, which is a different matter altogether.

Jim

Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: JF_Moparts] #275674
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Left:
Camber: -.06
Caster: 2.8
Toe: 0.07

Right:
Camber: -.05
Caster: 3.2
Toe: 0.12





Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: JF_Moparts] #275675
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What did it end up costing?

I have not paid retail in a while and have no idea what the rates are anymore.


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: HealthServices] #275676
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What did it end up costing?

I have not paid retail in a while and have no idea what the rates are anymore.




I got a 10% discount. With the discount it was $71.

Jim

Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: JF_Moparts] #275677
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Well, I got the alignment done by Bagge & Son and wow, what a great job they did!

Here's what they did:

Left:
Camber: -.06
Caster: 2.8
Toe: 0.07

Right:
Camber: -.05
Caster: 3.2
Toe: 0.12

It steers very well, but there's still a little vibration at about 60mph, which is a different matter altogether.

Jim were you able to find the source of the vibration?


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Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: JF_Moparts] #275678
07/15/09 03:45 PM
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Thats a good price


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: KARLN] #275679
07/15/09 04:15 PM
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Jim were you able to find the source of the vibration?




Nope. I've had it for several years now, and don't know what's causing it. The front suspension was rebuilt in 2007. I have brand new tires and wheels. My driveshaft was just balanced. And I have a new alignment.

Maybe the frame is a little out of whack? Or maybe I screwed something up when I rebuilt the front suspension.

Jim

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Jim were you able to find the source of the vibration?




Nope. I've had it for several years now, and don't know what's causing it. The front suspension was rebuilt in 2007. I have brand new tires and wheels. My driveshaft was just balanced. And I have a new alignment.

Maybe the frame is a little out of whack? Or maybe I screwed something up when I rebuilt the front suspension.

Jim




A true vibration (as opposed to a steering linkage shimmy), is not going to be caused by a frame out of whack or your "screwing something up when you rebuilt the front suspension". It is coming from a rotating component.


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Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: 68HemiB] #275681
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Jim were you able to find the source of the vibration?




Nope. I've had it for several years now, and don't know what's causing it. The front suspension was rebuilt in 2007. I have brand new tires and wheels. My driveshaft was just balanced. And I have a new alignment.

Maybe the frame is a little out of whack? Or maybe I screwed something up when I rebuilt the front suspension.

Jim




A true vibration (as opposed to a steering linkage shimmy), is not going to be caused by a frame out of whack or your "screwing something up when you rebuilt the front suspension". It is coming from a rotating component.




The vibration is only present between 57-63 mph. I feel it in the entire front end, but mainly in the steering wheel. It's less severe now that I've gotten the car aligned.

Jim

Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: JF_Moparts] #275682
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That sounds typical of wheel/tire balance issue

Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: WILD BILL] #275683
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I'll start a new thread on this.

Thanks.

Jim

Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: JF_Moparts] #275684
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What did it end up costing?

I have not paid retail in a while and have no idea what the rates are anymore.




I got a 10% discount. With the discount it was $71.

Jim




I heard another shop today quote a alignment at $80.

So what did you think of Bagge? Did you mention I sent you?

Were they even phased by it being a 30 year old Mopar? Did you notice they still do on car old fashioned wheel balancing with an electric motor driven roller. One of the best ways to balance a Magnum 500 rim since they don't have a hub centric.

I drove by there today and I spotted a 57 Chevy in corner of my eye. Almost everyday they have something in there 30+ years old. I've seen bathtub Porsche's, late 50's Chrysler Ghia's, all kinds of exotics....

Did you mention to Tom about you vibration?? Did he have any suggustions? I bet it's a driveshaft angle. The longer Gear Vendors ampliphies that. I bet they offer driveshaft angle checking/correction. Call them.

Do you have any drop or aftermarket front hangers or rear shackles on you leaves?

Troy had one in his T/A and did a bunch of stuff and then finally checked and corrected the driveshaft angle.

Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE*** [Re: autoxcuda] #275685
08/27/11 12:56 PM
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Going for another alignment today. I put in new Offset bushings, balljoints and wheel bearings and wheel bearings over the Winter.


It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.
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what a waste of time. went to 4 places and each one said they can do custom specs. said their computer doesnt go back before 1983 so there was no way they can do it. i'll need to go to the guy i went to last time but hes only open during the week


It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.
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