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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Jjs72D] #2753196
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Originally Posted by Jjs72D
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I reside in a rural small 1 traffic light town.



Yeah ? Where is that ?
Why do people hide their location ?


Might be the same basic reason I don't need to explain.

Deal with it..


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Dave_J] #2753197
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Sorry. angel

My immune suppressed 40 year old son in law on the east coast of Florida has the symptoms, and got the test Monday. They say 3-5 days before results, which they will contact him if positive, and he can find on his own if negative online I am told.

Because of his long term medical condition, I had elected to stay away until this virus runs it course. He has been working from home, not sure if positive what might have been his exposure vector. He reports its a very uncomfortable test FWIW.


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: jcc] #2753199
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John Hopkins maintains a site that tracks worldwide statistics on the outbreak. Anyone viewing it can clearly see the ill and casualties are piling up. As test results come in will the derelicts finally heed this is real and finally heed directives to be smart?
I'm not a lemming, nor descendant of lemmings. I do have compassion and a desire to see more birthdays and see the world whole and complete again.
A few questions:
Why is Russia not reporting cases?
Where did 30% of stock market value go?
Will the young see our country debt free?

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: srt] #2753202
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1. Why would you trust any answer they gave anyway?
2. It was paper money in the first place, easy come, easy go
3. No


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: jcc] #2753209
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Something I heard about the apparent spike in Italy compared to other countries that I haven't had time to fact check one way or the other is that their population has the highest concentration of seniors of all the reporting countries.

If that is true it might explain why the death toll appears higher there as seniors and the health issues that go with them put them at the top of the risk heap.

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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Twostick] #2753216
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Stop and think about this is a conspiracy created by toilet paper manufacturers. laugh2

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Twostick] #2753220
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Originally Posted by Twostick
Something I heard about the apparent spike in Italy compared to other countries that I haven't had time to fact check one way or the other is that their population has the highest concentration of seniors of all the reporting countries.

If that is true it might explain why the death toll appears higher there as seniors and the health issues that go with them put them at the top of the risk heap.

Kevin

They are also a much closer society than most other countries, nothing near "social distancing". And families tend to live together more often multigenerationally, so you'll have teenagers and young adults often living together with parents and grandparents instead of rushing away to college or living with room mates when they get into their late teens and 20s.
I'm sure that has contributed to their higher incidence and death rate.

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: stumpy] #2753227
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Originally Posted by stumpy
Stop and think about this is a conspiracy created by toilet paper manufacturers. laugh2

Thanks, I needed that laugh2


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Mastershake340] #2753228
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and another big factor for the 80+ deaths being higher is.
there was a limited number of hospital beds and proper equipment, more sick than beds available. so the doctors chose to treat the younger patients with the available ventilators, and the elderly got the nothing. because of this the elderly had a higher death rate than it should have been.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/italy-elderly-coronavirus/


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Mr T2U] #2753256
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Originally Posted by Mr T2U
and another big factor for the 80+ deaths being higher is.
there was a limited number of hospital beds and proper equipment, more sick than beds available. so the doctors chose to treat the younger patients with the available ventilators, and the elderly got the nothing. because of this the elderly had a higher death rate than it should have been.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/italy-elderly-coronavirus/

And thus: The younger less cautious, less apt to abide by social distancing get the beds, equipment and attention needed to survive.

p.s. see my post above with the tally of the sick in nevada.

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: jcc] #2753270
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Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by Jjs72D
Originally Posted by jcc
I reside in a rural small 1 traffic light town.



Yeah ? Where is that ?
Why do people hide their location ?


Might be the same basic reason I don't need to explain.

Deal with it..


Your writing is sometimes cryptic. I'm not sure what the sentence above means.
Are the people that leave their location a "mystery" trying to hide or are they trying to be clever by using euphemisms ?
This is just a curious thing for me, not a KGB inquiry.

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Jjs72D] #2753285
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It is cryptic often by choice, good observation. up

Let me partially decode this particular subject,

I chose not to explain/answer the previous questions further, nor explain why.


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Mr T2U] #2753288
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Originally Posted by Mr T2U
and another big factor for the 80+ deaths being higher is.
there was a limited number of hospital beds and proper equipment, more sick than beds available. so the doctors chose to treat the younger patients with the available ventilators, and the elderly got the nothing. because of this the elderly had a higher death rate than it should have been.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/italy-elderly-coronavirus/


I heard on the newstoday regarding Italy, per capita they have a larger quantity of beds and equipment then the US.

I have no way to confirm.


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: jcc] #2753295
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Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by Mr T2U
and another big factor for the 80+ deaths being higher is.
there was a limited number of hospital beds and proper equipment, more sick than beds available. so the doctors chose to treat the younger patients with the available ventilators, and the elderly got the nothing. because of this the elderly had a higher death rate than it should have been.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/italy-elderly-coronavirus/


I heard on the newstoday regarding Italy, per capita they have a larger quantity of beds and equipment then the US.

I have no way to confirm.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds

Then I saw a comment that we have more ICU beds per capita, but I can't confirm that easily.

Edit: https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallm...eds-per-capita-infographic/#5a74da097f86

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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: stumpy] #2753297
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Originally Posted by stumpy
Stop and think about this is a conspiracy created by toilet paper manufacturers. laugh2



So, I came home to this today. Every now and then the ex gets a good idea (I think its good anyway....)

Linky >>> End the toilet paper blues

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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: hooziewhatsit] #2753301
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Would one be remiss to think that in this country of very expensive healthcare cost there is little reinvestment in infrastructure and inventory of supplies?

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: srt] #2753304
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The benefits of having more beds per capita then ICU beds is likely beyond our expertise/understanding, in that I suspect most patients are not admitted straight to ICU, although they will if treatment in a regular bed is not longer adequate, and if there is not a regular bed available for a covid patient, I suspect they might deteriorate health wise pretty quick to then needing the ICU bed.

I don't see a clear "winner" here on per capita bed counts between Italy/US.


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: jcc] #2753305
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It's the shortage of respirators that's the big problem.


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: calmopar] #2753311
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Yes they are a major part, but there must be trained healthy operators, and I suspect they need to be operated in a room fitted out for their use that includes O2 gas supplies, filtered/isolated power, maybe some network connection, etc, in that its just not the machine, its an dedicated entire system, not sure if every regular room has all the needed support, but this is all above my pay grade. eek

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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: jcc] #2753323
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In any profit-driven industry, spending capital (money) on capacity you're not likely to ever use can be considered a waste of money.

Why build a factory capable of cranking out millions of widgets a year, if you're only ever going to sell 50k a year?

Why take the time (read: money) to move product from the truck to a mini-warehouse (more money) connected to your store, when you can just go direct from the truck to the shelves? This is fine until a demand or supply shock happens, then the shelves are bare, creating a panic, causing them to continue to be bare, even if the normal about of products are still arriving daily.

The wiki link says we have 2.7 beds per capita, but a pretty low utilization rate. Why spend the money to handle a once every 100 year pandemic? And like mentioned above, we also need all the support and people to work the beds too.

All answers above my pay grade too laugh2


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