Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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can anyone here tell me the origin of the Coronavirus??? Might be best rather then just deflecting away from other worthless previous deflections, you state clearly first what real merit and potential discovery for our collective enlightenment that is to be sought by discussing this tangential thought. Might be best to drop the whole topic, as it matters little to those sick. if I was sick I would be more concerned about the regular flu! that kills 60,000 a year this has killed a hundred people when it is told it is 10xs more deadly wake me up when we have a half a million dead the bodies should be stacking up already... thousands at least the numbers say this is vastly over hyped i'm a numbers kind of guy.. the numbers support my statements your fears are supported by what??? and the ironic thing is you don't even know what you are so scared of comes from?? Seems some want to ignore Italy's current problem of where to put the dead until they can do cremations. Yes the bodies are stacking up. This in its self is going to add another huge outbreak. But then again, some members just like to be trolls and post nothing good in posts, just endless worthless banter.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
[Re: flypaper]
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03/18/20 12:05 PM
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Fly and jcc...Take your fight elsewhere...Some of us are interested in this thread and your fighting and bickering does not belong here. I will leave him alone he isn't very educated on the subject, I just tried to help.. QED
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/18/20 12:15 PM
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Fly and jcc...Take your fight elsewhere...Some of us are interested in this thread and your fighting and bickering does not belong here. I never understand how in these here parts, anyone is allowed to throw out stupid unsuported crap and personal insults, and then there is a reasoned response ( that allowed?), and is called bickering and fighting? If one doesn't want reasoned responses, which might be a from a different viewpoint, stop posting stupid crap and insults in the first place. And BTW, my Pizza parlor friend called me 15 mins ago, he today has closed the seating area 100% and is now just take out and PU, cut the staff weekly hours to 30 hrs, and everyone seems to be OK with that. He will never know how many lives he might have saved, and will never have to answer to his maker why he didn't at least try.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/18/20 12:35 PM
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jcc...I did not post stupid crap..And just an fyi...all of our bars and restaurants are closed in our small town & My beef is when "unsupported". If one can support their POV, everyone reading can make their own decision, when not supported, its just bait and it's intent often is suspect IMO.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/18/20 12:48 PM
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While you are entitled to your opinion and are free to post whatever you want, this is the kind of "information" that will only keep the virus going longer. The "mainstream media" is not the problem here. I mean seriously, a bio warfare lab? I can't believe I wasted the time it took me to read that article to that point. And regardless of where the stupid virus came from, it's here now and we have to deal with it. Everyone needs to understand that this is in fact a dire public health crisis that is directly affecting everyone in this country on some level. Frankly there is no time for games or trying to prove that its not as bad as it actually is. Thinly-veiled politicized information and/or "alternative facts" have no value in the fight to stop its spread. Again, regardless of your political affiliation, religious beliefs, beer preference, etc, the ONLY places that you should rely on for DEFINITIVE information about COVID-19 are the CDC and WHO. That's it. Not the Giza Death Star blog. Carry on.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/18/20 12:56 PM
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At about 72 hours from my wife and my on set Sunday morning, I am still suffering but about 50% better....My lung capacity is really my limiting factor. Left lung is still congested bad. Wife is at hospital right now. They did not want me to go with her. Her temperature has swung the other way. She went from running low 100ish to now running 94.2F which means her system is not controlling her body temp.
They will not test anyone unless your temp is above 101F. Ours has stayed below that. We do not get common colds and we do get the flu shots every year. We both has slight Hay Fever issues but usually in the Fall when the Cottonwoods and Scotchblum bushs blume.
Went out in the garage and found my box of N95 dust masks. These are the non vented ones that you need to stop the exhale breath from bypassing. Some N95 masks have a 1 way valve that lets you exhale easier, filtered air in but unfiltered out. I also found a box of 50 cheap dust masks, without the metal nose bar.
So, YES this Covid-19 cold virus does have me worried. It should have you worried too. It is kind of a mutated version of that SAR's virus that killed my mother in 2003. She was just 73 years old, I am 64 years old. Those that are making light or jokes about protecting yourself or others, I hope it does not hit you or someone important to you. Take your jokes over to FaceBook for all the other trolls to have fun with.
Picture of my mom at 71 years old on tour in Germany. She died 8 months later.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/18/20 01:12 PM
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I reside in a rural small 1 traffic light town.
Yeah ? Where is that ? Why do people hide their location ?
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/18/20 01:38 PM
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Yeah ? Where is that ? Why do people hide their location ?
Last I looked, in Auburn WA there were 2,000 David J's so its a bit hard to find me. We are not published in the locak phone directroy. The Property tax records are a bit hard to search by name. The only member that knew where I live is 340Shorty but I was told he has passed on so he can not tell anyone.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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Another 475 dead overnight in Italy is that enough to convince people that this is a big deal? Convinces me government run healthcare is a killer.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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Another 475 dead overnight in Italy is that enough to convince people that this is a big deal? Convinces me government run healthcare is a killer. Ahh, yes. If a medic on a battlefield with limited resources has to do triage to save the soldiers he can, instead, they all could have been be saved by changing who pays the medic's wages. Got it. Or, it's what happens when the system buckles under the weight of something no one could have planned for, because the public didn't take the threat seriously enough and isolate soon enough. We'll be there soon enough ourselves.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/18/20 03:05 PM
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The Wuhan coronovirus that causes COVID-19 has been determined to be of natural origin, and not man-made in a lab. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-covid-coronavirus-epidemic-natural-scientists.htmlSample quote Evidence for natural evolution The scientists found that the RBD portion of the SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins had evolved to effectively target a molecular feature on the outside of human cells called ACE2, a receptor involved in regulating blood pressure. The SARS-CoV-2 spike protein was so effective at binding the human cells, in fact, that the scientists concluded it was the result of natural selection and not the product of genetic engineering. This evidence for natural evolution was supported by data on SARS-CoV-2's backbone—its overall molecular structure. If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness. But the scientists found that the SARS-CoV-2 backbone differed substantially from those of already known coronaviruses and mostly resembled related viruses found in bats and pangolins. "These two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2" said Andersen. Josie Golding, Ph.D., epidemics lead at UK-based Wellcome Trust, said the findings by Andersen and his colleagues are "crucially important to bring an evidence-based view to the rumors that have been circulating about the origins of the virus (SARS-CoV-2) causing COVID-19." "They conclude that the virus is the product of natural evolution," Goulding adds, "ending any speculation about deliberate genetic engineering." Possible origins of the virus Based on their genomic sequencing analysis, Andersen and his collaborators concluded that the most likely origins for SARS-CoV-2 followed one of two possible scenarios. In one scenario, the virus evolved to its current pathogenic state through natural selection in a non-human host and then jumped to humans. This is how previous coronavirus outbreaks have emerged, with humans contracting the virus after direct exposure to civets (SARS) and camels (MERS). The researchers proposed bats as the most likely reservoir for SARS-CoV-2 as it is very similar to a bat coronavirus. There are no documented cases of direct bat-human transmission, however, suggesting that an intermediate host was likely involved between bats and humans. In this scenario, both of the distinctive features of SARS-CoV-2's spike protein—the RBD portion that binds to cells and the cleavage site that opens the virus up—would have evolved to their current state prior to entering humans. In this case, the current epidemic would probably have emerged rapidly as soon as humans were infected, as the virus would have already evolved the features that make it pathogenic and able to spread between people. In the other proposed scenario, a non-pathogenic version of the virus jumped from an animal host into humans and then evolved to its current pathogenic state within the human population. For instance, some coronaviruses from pangolins, armadillo-like mammals found in Asia and Africa, have an RBD structure very similar to that of SARS-CoV-2. A coronavirus from a pangolin could possibly have been transmitted to a human, either directly or through an intermediary host such as civets or ferrets. Then the other distinct spike protein characteristic of SARS-CoV-2, the cleavage site, could have evolved within a human host, possibly via limited undetected circulation in the human population prior to the beginning of the epidemic. The researchers found that the SARS-CoV-2 cleavage site, appears similar to the cleavage sites of strains of bird flu that has been shown to transmit easily between people. SARS-CoV-2 could have evolved such a virulent cleavage site in human cells and soon kicked off the current epidemic, as the coronavirus would possibly have become far more capable of spreading between people. End quote
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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Well I see the leader of the tinfoil hat army has showed up. Did you know that the entire state of NJ is basically a dumping ground for C8? You boys can fight it out among yourselves, I'm heading for the mountains. Hopefully I'll see you all on the other side of this.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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My beef is when "unsupported". If one can support their POV, everyone reading can make their own decision, when not supported, its just bait and it's intent often is suspect IMO. It is the same crap that was being put out there back then. Why does Moparts put up with it??
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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Another 475 dead overnight in Italy is that enough to convince people that this is a big deal? Convinces me government run healthcare is a killer. Ahh, yes. If a medic on a battlefield with limited resources has to do triage to save the soldiers he can, instead, they all could have been be saved by changing who pays the medic's wages. Got it. Nice strawman. Apparently you do not get it. No one mentioned who paid the wages, it's who runs it and if you think government run healthcare is a solution I give you the VA to consider. The people who pay the wages, in either scenario, are you and me. At least with the current setup if I don't like the care I can pay someone else to provide it.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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Nice strawman. Apparently you do not get it.
No one mentioned who paid the wages, it's who runs it and if you think government run healthcare is a solution I give you the VA to consider.
The people who pay the wages, in either scenario, are you and me. At least with the current setup if I don't like the care I can pay someone else to provide it. Sorry, you don't understand the proposed systems. No one is pushing for a VA-style system (where .gov pays for procedures, and runs the day-to-day operations of hospitals). Just changing from health insurance companies paying for procedures, to Medicare paying for them. Regardless, we'll probably have the same problem with our system over the next several weeks.
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