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Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? #2752638
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Well, I need to replace my 54 year old clutch Sure-Grip. A couple of spider gears are cracked as is the housing. I am leaning towards the Tru Track, but not sure. 3.91s in a 489 case. 295 MT Mickey Thompson drag radials. Mostly street, but some 1/8 mile king of street stuff. Started to go with a spool, but think I would rather have a Sure-Grip. The Eaton Tru Trac seems to run over $600. eek Is that what I need. Is there a better price out there for it?

Thank you!


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Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: DaveRS23] #2752639
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Doctor Diff sells new power locks if you want the same as what you were running. Not too bad on price either, believe they are under $400.

Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: Jamey] #2752642
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Originally Posted by Jamey
Doctor Diff sells new power locks if you want the same as what you were running. Not too bad on price either, believe they are under $400.


To Clarify; the Power Lock (Powr Lok) is a clutch type. The OP’s 489 could very well have been a cone type, which is vastly inferior to the clutch type.

Most would agree the clutch type IS the way to go, and Doc is the man. There are Eaton Tru Track fans, and some detractors.

I run a clutch type, wouldn’t have it any other way.

Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: DaveRS23] #2752644
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Spool.

Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: DaveRS23] #2752646
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Used Tru-Tracks on the last 2 rear axles, one 8-3/4 and one Dana 60, no complaints on either. Will probably go with a spool on my Dana 60 because I am cheap. grin


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Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: DaveRS23] #2752652
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As I said in the opening, I have the CLUTCH type. No way would a cone hold the drag radials. I have tried a couple of times to get a hold of Dr Diff, but to no avail. His website seems to say that he is out of both the Eaton and the Sure-Trac. And he says on his website that he has has trouble with the Eatons, so he recommends the cheaper Sure-Trac.

Not sure just what to do here which is why I asked for some input. If all else fails, I can spool it. It's just that I do park at shows and such, and those spools are a pain there.


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Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: justinp61] #2752653
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Originally Posted by justinp61
Spool.


X2.

Cheap, bulletproof and easy.


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Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: DaveRS23] #2752660
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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
As I said in the opening, I have the CLUTCH type. No way would a cone hold the drag radials. I have tried a couple of times to get a hold of Dr Diff, but to no avail. His website seems to say that he is out of both the Eaton and the Sure-Trac. And he says on his website that he has has trouble with the Eatons, so he recommends the cheaper Sure-Trac.

Not sure just what to do here which is why I asked for some input. If all else fails, I can spool it. It's just that I do park at shows and such, and those spools are a pain there.



I missed the word clutch. Got it.

What’s a “Sure-Trac” ???

Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2752662
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I don't know anything about it. It's just a unit that Dr Diff offers.

https://www.doctordiff.com/8-3-4-helical-gear-sure-grip-sure-trac.html


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Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: DaveRS23] #2752664
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Well that’s interesting. Looks new...like on the market for a year or two.

https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopa...cal-gear-sure-grip-sure-trac-lsd.430216/

Also sounds like it might??? Be Docs own design???

If you google helical gear sure-trac there are other discussions. Too bad he doesn’t have the regular power locks for sale. I e seen em on eBay (new ones).

Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2752680
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Doctor Diff has several options on his website that look like they would work. I'd just pick whatever he recommends.

Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2752681
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Dr Diff doesn't show either one in stock, but both are available on ebag. Basically $600 +/- either way.


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Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2752684
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My 8.75" power-locks are in stock. See below:

https://www.doctordiff.com/8-3-4-clutch-type-sure-grip-powr-lok.html

Unfortunately, I don't know when the Sure-Tracs will be back in stock as the mfg has been dragging their feet.

If anyone needs to contact me, please E-mail. Phone calls are hit-or-miss this time of year. BTW, don't abbreviate "doctor" in my E-mail address. That is another guy. My E-mail address is doctordiff@gmail.com




Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: DoctorDiff] #2752689
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Okay, that email address has been my problem.

I guess you know that 'your' Sure-Tracs are available on the bag. They are higher which may be why they are still available.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MOPAR-8-75-8-3-4-WORM-GEAR-POSI-FITS-ALL-CASES-TRU-TRAC-NEW-GREAT-DEAL/333454376488?hash=item4da36dfe28:g:01MAAOSwo-RdhQWR

Well, I can't get that link to work from here. But it appears to be the same unit.


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Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: DaveRS23] #2752692
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There are a few floating around from re-sellers.

Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: DoctorDiff] #2752702
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Is that Sure Trac a Torsen based diff?

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Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: DaveRS23] #2752712
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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
No way would a cone hold the drag radials


My rebuilt cone paints 2 even stripes with slicks shruggy


Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: GTX MATT] #2752713
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You get the same amount of squealing and hopping as a Detroit Locker for less than 1/4 of the price.

Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: GTX MATT] #2752715
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I have ran cones a number of times. When traction is roughly equal on both sides, they work okay. But with sticky tires, when one side is compromised, like when track prep is marginal, they won't hold. In other words, a cone is not nearly as consistent as the clutch type.


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Re: Broke my Sure-grip, need new one, which one? [Re: Twostick] #2752731
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The Sure-Trac is a torque sensitive helical differential.

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