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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve [Re: m46rat] #2752521
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Last one. Comments please.

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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve [Re: m46rat] #2752593
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It is definitely different from my 71 bracket. What is the distance between the mounting holes (where the valve mounts to the bracket)? On the 71 bracket it is 1 7/8 inches from center to center.

I have attached pictures of a metal replacement valve. It is made by Everco. You can see their logo "E" stamped on the top flange. It mounts perfectly on my 71 Barracuda.

Does anyone have an old original metal valve? Would it have had a Chrysler part number stamped on it? Or maybe the Pentastar?

David

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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve [Re: m46rat] #2752614
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i was thinking, and ive had alot of NOS parts throughout the years and i cant think of when brackets were included, everything is ala carte.
but, these red/black bakolite water valves come with brackets.
had me thinking why.
best guess is because they were to replace the 1 piece valve used on 1970 cars maybe????

i wish someone could find an original 1970 road test of a e-body with air conditioning to show for sure

or even 1 of those old school videos

Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve [Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO] #2752640
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In 2014, I purchased another 71 Barracuda (318 with AC). I bought it from the original owner with 116,540 miles on the odometer. The SPD was 625. In his garage I found a big box of junk that included the original carburetor. Also in that box was the red-black control valve that I believed to be the original.


I just pulled that old bakelite valve out to take another look and take a few pictures of it. The red bottom half is not bakelite, but cast aluminum or pot metal. I looked at some of the new ones listed on Ebay and they look to be all bakelite or plastic. Can someone confirm?

David

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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve [Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO] #2752961
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Originally Posted by TONY_DAGOSTINO
i was thinking, and ive had alot of NOS parts throughout the years and i cant think of when brackets were included, everything is ala carte.
but, these red/black bakolite water valves come with brackets.
had me thinking why.
best guess is because they were to replace the 1 piece valve used on 1970 cars maybe????

i wish someone could find an original 1970 road test of a e-body with air conditioning to show for sure

or even 1 of those old school videos


Thats what I was thinking, in the 75-80 time period I changed a lot of those leaky valves and the bracket was always in the box. Have to dig, have an old nos red valve here, and the metal one off the 1971, and a pair of the moulded heater hoses for a charger in a box here somewhere.

Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve [Re: 4406bbl] #2753032
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Brackets were sold separately with their own part number from what I recall.
Here is an NOS C-body bracket with correct finish unlike the re-anodized one shown.
The 1970 E-body one is also available in reproduction as shown in second picture

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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve [Re: 4406bbl] #2755590
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The witness marks sure look like a bakelite valve was on there to me. I had a 1971 318 barracuda that had a metal valve, looked original, but can't say for sure.


I have always been adamant about my 71 Barracuda having a metal valve from the factory. Even though my memory still tells me that to be the case, I can't argue with what 4406bbl noticed on the fender bracket. I did a pencil rubbing on an old red/black bakelite valve and then a side by side comparison with the "witness marks" or footprint left on the bracket.

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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve [Re: David1971] #2755774
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Here's a screen shot from a 1971 Challenger road test I found on youtube, you can just make out the bakelite valve.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=zbzrxowPjZw

And the other pic is of a 1970 383 R/T SE Challenger that just surfaced over in England on another board, it's been off the road since the late 80s according to the guy who found it - looks really original under the hood, '171' master cylinder and all.

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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve [Re: EV2RTSE] #2755780
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Regarding the brackets - first pic here is a 1971 without a/c, but in the notch if I'm not mistaken sits an emissions line. I'm not really up on all the details on the 71s but I think they all had this line? While in 1970 only cars with California emissions would have a similar setup here, federal emissions just a dimple for the screw that would hold the line clamp, and the water valve is mounted further down regardless of CA or federal emissions. For 71 it seems to be the same - did they change the shape of the bracket to accommodate another difference in the inner fender? The repop valve brackets are listed as fitting 1970-74. shruggy

Second is one with a/c and the emissions line but no notch in the inner fender, maybe a 1970 with CA emissions.









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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve [Re: EV2RTSE] #2755850
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Well it won't let me attach the pics
Car is 70 barracuda built d ec 69. 383 with air. Never been restored (needs it bad) it has the metal valve on it


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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve [Re: toplescuda] #2755951
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Originally Posted by toplescuda
Well it won't let me attach the pics
Car is 70 barracuda built d ec 69. 383 with air. Never been restored (needs it bad) it has the metal valve on it


There is a maximum limit on image size . If so resize them and try again.

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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve [Re: David1971] #2761359
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here's the engine compartment shot from a 383 4BBL Challenger (JH23N0) road test in the December 1969 issue of MOTORCADE

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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve [Re: 6bblgt] #2761443
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Dan: Looks to be a Bakelite one to me, because of the round areas on top. What say you?

Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve [Re: m46rat] #2761486
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Bakelite for sure.

Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve [Re: 4406bbl] #2761511
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Here's mine off my early build 72 Charger.

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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve [Re: 6bblgt] #2761600
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Originally Posted by 6bblgt
here's the engine compartment shot from a 383 4BBL Challenger (JH23N0) road test in the December 1969 issue of MOTORCADE


Great find 6bblgt. And now with the 1970 model year, I wonder if there was a Hamtramck versus LA plant difference with this part.

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