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Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: crackedback] #2750636
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" In 2012, 60% of older (65+) adults managed 2 or more chronic conditions.

Common chronic conditions include:

Heart Disease
Cancer
Chronic bronchitis or emphysema
Stroke
Diabetes mellitus
Alzheimer's disease

Chronic conditions can lower quality of life for older adults and contribute to the leading causes of death among this population."

https://www.healthypeople.gov/2020/topics-objectives/topic/older-adults

The above did not mention three other very common additional factors mentioned lately, high blood pressure, obesity, and smoking.

Means to me, a rather high majority of those over 65 are at substantial risk in this pandemic.



Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: 360view] #2750713
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Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: antonellomopar] #2750727
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Originally Posted by antonellomopar
I live in Italy...schools are closed, people are requested to stay home and work from home, restaurants and cinemas closed, no sports, no outside activities...no museums and churches, no funerals. Shopping centers closed on week ends. I live near the center of the epidemy, about 30 miles, but in my town just 3 persons affected. there are about 100 deaths a day, with 1000 new persons affected. Most of the deaths are old persons with serious deseases, not connected with the virus. I was planning to be in the US for the Spring Fling, but it would be crazy for me to leave now.
Trouble is that while the virus was confined in northern Italy, some idiots decided to reach the south Italy, so now whole Italy is infected.
To tell the truth, there are so many cases reported because our health service is making thousands and thousands of tests, so its obvious that there are many positives. In most other countries, US, Germany, France and so on, there are very few tests done, so positives are few. Many deaths have been attributed to pneumonia, while Corona was probably the culprit.
Things are not easy for us, but we will survive this problem.


People here think this cant and wont happen in the good old USA so they are going about their business. Unfortunately tough love may be coming soon unless we can delay until warmer months.

Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: 360view] #2750815
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The most common proven anti anxiety strategy strangely seems to be omitted, Denial. stirthepot


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Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: 360view] #2750819
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Close all schools?

Sample quote

Q: How about proactive school closures, before there are any infections associated with a school? Are they helpful?

A: Proactive school closures—closing schools before there’s a case there—have been shown to be one of the most powerful nonpharmaceutical interventions that we can deploy. Proactive school closures work like reactive school closures not just because they get the children, the little vectors, removed from circulation. It’s not just about keeping the kids safe. It’s keeping the whole community safe. When you close the schools, you reduce the mixing of the adults—parents dropping off at the school, the teachers being present. When you close the schools, you effectively require the parents to stay home.

There was a wonderful paper published that analyzed data regarding the Spanish flu in 1918, examining proactive versus reactive school closures. When did [regional] authorities close the schools relative to when the epidemic was spiking? What they found was that proactive school closing saved substantial numbers of lives.
St. Louis closed the schools about a day in advance of the epidemic spiking, for 143 days.
Pittsburgh closed 7 days after the peak and only for 53 days.
And the death rate for the epidemic in St. Louis was roughly one-third as high as in Pittsburgh.
These things work.

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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/does-closing-schools-slow-spread-novel-coronavirus

Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: p d'ro] #2750889
03/11/20 04:07 AM
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People here think this cant and wont happen in the good old USA so they are going about their business. Unfortunately tough love may be coming soon unless we can delay until warmer months.


Cases are now popping up like crabgrass.
With the 5-15 grace periods noted; seems the US will surely see a spike now.

One good thing from this is that hopefully people will Learn/Use better Habits wrt cleanliness, personal hygiene, public manners, etc.

Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: PhillyRag] #2750898
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They could cancel this years basketball tournament and that would be ok with me.


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Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: pittsburghracer] #2750905
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Lots of events have been canceled. I am supposed to go to the University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics for a visit with radiation oncology and neurosurgery in the middle of April. 13 cases have popped up in that area and with my health issues and my wife having stage 5 renal failure,I may end up canceling my appointments and see if they would do a teleconference instead.


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Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: tboomer] #2750907
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Probably a smart move Tboomer, I just ten seconds ago heard a young healthy guy say we cant become hermits on the news, well like others im in the high risk area, a dam sharpie marker locks my lungs up, bleach might as well be bullets to my lungs.

Not sure about the virus but dawn dish soap in a spray bottle with water can match any hi p[owered cleaner ive used.

Im not a lucky guy, im not willing to roll the dice, this deal is really killing people and its pretty clear no country has a handle on it.


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Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #2750910
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I agree 100%. My luck isn't the greatest. The University of Iowa is a great hospital and they pulled me out of the meat grinder twice. The third time may not be a charm. My wife is on the kidney transplant list but she has a rare blood type and no donors so far. confused


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Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: tboomer] #2750928
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I'm in the tech end of the concert/entertainment industry, cancellation/business wise, we are getting hammered.

In the big picture health wise, that's small potatoes, but it will leave a mark.


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: jcc] #2750932
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Originally Posted by jcc
I'm in the tech end of the concert/entertainment industry, cancellation/business wise, we are getting hammered.

In the big picture health wise, that's small potatoes, but it will leave a mark.


What really sucks about that is you are losing family income. We had tickets to Ozzy in Des Moinse but he canceled due to his own health problems.


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Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: tboomer] #2750945
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Originally Posted by tboomer
Originally Posted by jcc
I'm in the tech end of the concert/entertainment industry, cancellation/business wise, we are getting hammered.

In the big picture health wise, that's small potatoes, but it will leave a mark.


What really sucks about that is you are losing family income. We had tickets to Ozzy in Des Moinse but he canceled due to his own health problems.


Does he still eat Bats :-) ?

Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: 65pacecar] #2750969
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This is pretty fascinating.

Since we can genetically sequence stuff, we can determine its lineage and age from the number of mutations. This shows that between the first and second cases in Washington state, there were likely 4 jumps between people, which means almost a month ago:
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Knowing that transmission was initiated on Jan 15 allows us to estimate the total number of infections that exist in this cluster today. Our preliminary analysis puts this at 570 with an 90% uncertainty interval of between 80 and 1500 infections.


https://bedford.io/blog/ncov-cryptic-transmission/

Basically, social distance now. Not later.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca


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Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: 65pacecar] #2750978
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Originally Posted by 65pacecar
Originally Posted by tboomer
Originally Posted by jcc
I'm in the tech end of the concert/entertainment industry, cancellation/business wise, we are getting hammered.

In the big picture health wise, that's small potatoes, but it will leave a mark.


What really sucks about that is you are losing family income. We had tickets to Ozzy in Des Moinse but he canceled due to his own health problems.


Does he still eat Bats :-) ?





Ozzy only did that once, a concert goer thru it on stage, Ozzy thought it was a toy/fake, grabbed it and bit it's head off... it was real however, and he paid the price enduring several rabies treatments

Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: DAYCLONA] #2751006
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Pittsburgh St Patrick’s Day parade just canceled. I think they said it averages 350,000 spectators. A local bar owner said he sells one months worth of booze during that parade.


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Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: pittsburghracer] #2751020
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Italy 2500 new cases and 200 more dead today.. More younger cases now hitting ICU. Our ICU rooms are pretty much full at all times. This will hit pretty hard unfortunately.

Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: 360view] #2751030
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Female MD says she was muzzled in December when she tried to issue warning

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...octor-says-officials-muzzled-her-sharing

Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: 360view] #2751033
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I travel for a living for my job. This is having a big impact on my travel. Was supposed to be in Brazil this week but canceled due to the virus. Not that I was scared, but why sit on airplanes for 24 hours when I could cancel ad sit at home................

My biggest headache is a conference scheduled for end of June. We tend to have around 200 attendees and I am program chair so basically I put the technical content together (papers and panels presented by authors). I already have enough companies restrict travel to the conference in June that I no longer have enough authors attending to have enough content for the conference. Starting discussions now with the parent association that is on the hook for any lost money when we cancel - I see no alternative but to cancel the conference. And that's 3 months away.


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Re: 5 reasons not to panic over COVID-19 [Re: tboomer] #2751043
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All the 'Germaphobes' out there are going to be hit hard on this one. Howie Mandell most likely has no antibodies in his system.

Just back home from a Costco run.

About 5/4 as full as normal but no one was bumping into each other. Checkout lines were long but no crowding.

NO TP!
NO Clorox Wipes.
Stocked up on Fish Sticks, SPAM, Sardines, Chunk Chicken, frozen Burritos.... CHIP's.... BEER!
We have about 150 pounds each of Kidney, Pinto and Black beans, 200 pounds of rice, 40 pounds of dehydrated potatoes, and 200 pounds of whole wheat flour so making survival meals is dooable. But there may be a obnoxious cloud over head.


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