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Mechanical roller lifter #2743980
02/17/20 03:38 PM
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Been searching for a good mechanical roller lifter for my new low deck build. Its a unbushed 400 block running a 259*@.050 -.744" .465" lobe lift. solid roller cam and PAC 1325 springs,. I was looking at the crane 66543 lifters. Wondering if anyone had thoughts or recommendations. TIA

Also I run Harland sharps with shaft oiling.

Last edited by HOTMOPR; 02/17/20 03:51 PM. Reason: updated cam specs

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Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: HOTMOPR] #2743988
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I used Crane roller lifters in my race block. For my 470 dyno engines I used Comp Cams AMC lifters. I like the AMC lifters since they have pin oiling. For some reason the Mopar lifters that Comp makes do not oil the roller bearing pin.

Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: HOTMOPR] #2743992
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I am not speaking from a user’s standpoint of experience, but I am going to use the needle-less rollers from Isky. Cummins engines have been using this technology for years with literally millions of miles of use. The Isky lifters are expensive, but Im confident enough to lay my own money down for a set.
I have used crower rollers in the past with excellent results. Unfortunately, the style of lifter that I prefer from them has been discontinued.


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Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: TRENDZ] #2744010
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Please allow me to ask a question that is related to the OP's question:
I am planning a stroker motor build, and I trust the builder, so their recommendations will get the most weight.
I'm going to be using one of the new BME aluminum blocks, at the as delivered bore of 4.5 and although they can use a 4.5 stroke crankshaft without clearancing, because I am only looking for 6XX/7XX HP and torque output, and because I am insisting that it be fed by a 3x2 induction, which will start out using my 3 Promax modded factory 6bbl Holley carbs and either the factory Edelbrock/Chrysler aluminum 6bbl intake OR the Weiand P3690982 6bbl intake, I think going with a 4.25 stroke for a 541 cu in displacement will be the best combo, using Trick Flow 270s and having the intake I use ported to Max Wedge ports to match the heads.
Because of my modest power goals, and the power inherent in the displacement and flow of the heads, I don't think the cam has to be too "radical" so it's possible that I may go solid flat tappet. Although I really like hydraulic roller lifters, Jim Laroy's stance on those gives me pause for concern. He basically wouldn't use hydraulic roller lifters in anything.
So my question is if I wanted to use solid roller lifters with what I expect to be a moderate cam, what solid lifters would require the least maintenance or need to be rebuilt? Is there such a solid roller lifter? Or is the only way to avoid maintenance of the lifters themselves to use hydraulic rollers? I know with solid flat tappet OR solid roller lifters I'd have to check lash, but I really don't want to have to pull lifters and send them off for service periodically.

Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: TRENDZ] #2744043
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Originally Posted by TRENDZ
I am not speaking from a user’s standpoint of experience, but I am going to use the needle-less rollers from Isky. Cummins engines have been using this technology for years with literally millions of miles of use. The Isky lifters are expensive, but Im confident enough to lay my own money down for a set.
I have used crower rollers in the past with excellent results. Unfortunately, the style of lifter that I prefer from them has been discontinued.


I've been very happy with the Isky's. Over 400 passes. 285/292 .800" 310/805 pressure. Lash stays consistent.
Doug

Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: AndyF] #2744119
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Originally Posted by AndyF
I used Crane roller lifters in my race block. For my 470 dyno engines I used Comp Cams AMC lifters. I like the AMC lifters since they have pin oiling. For some reason the Mopar lifters that Comp makes do not oil the roller bearing pin.


Funny you mention that, years back when Isky came out with the Red Zone lifters they advertised all Red Zone lifters had pressurized oil to the needles. I bought a set and they did NOT have that for the Mopar lifter. Since that encounter with "Rich" the supposed owner I will NEVER buy an Isky product hammer violin

I went with the AMC lifter.


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Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: hemi-itis] #2744129
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I am currently at a standoff with myself between using .180 offset LO-3772-EZMAX Isky bushed lifters (rated to 1300lbs) or the .210 offset BAM Steel bushing lifters. For some reason that extra .030 of cup offset looks scary to me. The steel bushing BAM's are suppossedly good for 1600 lbs which is impressive and overkill lol.

The fellow that spec'd and ground my new custom solid roller spec'd 350/900 for the spring. What are you running for spring pressure?

Also, the BAM lifters are around $200 cheaper than the top of the line Isky offering.



Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: Jeremiah] #2744182
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If you want a good durable lifter, go w/ the Iskys w/ the bushings. I have the old style Isky Red Zones w/ needle bearings and they've been flawless. Bought them in 2006 before the EZ Roll option was available.


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'69 road runner 440 w/ Indy SRs
'69 road runner 440-6, 4 speed...Dad's ride
'71 Demon 340 resto project
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax...toy hauler
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Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2744246
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Another option to consider. I've not used them yet but bought them for my rebuild as they have good feedback so far.

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Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: AndyF] #2744918
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Originally Posted by AndyF
I like the AMC lifters since they have pin oiling. For some reason the Mopar lifters that Comp makes do not oil the roller bearing pin.


I put those 861s I bought from you in the 572 project and it was pretty educational for me to prime the oiling system and watch the flow,
compared the 829s I am used to working with which just leak oil from the side clearance but otherwise block flow.....I can see the appeal of the 861.

Of particular interest were comments from a pro stating I was going to flood the top end or leak huge amounts of oil out the bottom
while on the base circle, a whole other topic there, but it doesn't seem either scenario is going to happen just by looking at the oil flow.
Most of the oil goes to the pin/axle, right where we want it.


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Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: BiomedTechGuy] #2744945
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You need to talk to someone at BME on what type material the lifters your going to use in that block to see if they need to be chromed or not scope
I've been told that all aluminum blocks with no lifter bushing need chrome lifters to prevent galling shruggy work


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What, like chrome on your bumper, no seriously, false. Built a lot of aluminum block engines,save your aluminum lifter bores till something goes bad. Then bush them.

Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: AndyF] #2745020
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Originally Posted by AndyF
I used Crane roller lifters in my race block. For my 470 dyno engines I used Comp Cams AMC lifters. I like the AMC lifters since they have pin oiling. For some reason the Mopar lifters that Comp makes do not oil the roller bearing pin.


The Comp roller lifters in my small block have pin oiling.

Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: justinp61] #2745141
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I’ve used a few Bill Mitchell aluminum blocks(from about 10 years ago)...... they all came with the lifter bores bushed.

I’ve only used one Indy block....... no bushings, no lifter oiling.
These blocks hold a lot of oil in the valley, and the lifters are submerged in oil.

I haven’t seen that motor since I built it, but it’s been running fine since 2011.

Comp 828-16’s(SB) and 829-16’s(BB) have no axle oiling.
Of course, “back in the day”, nothing else did either.


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Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: fast68plymouth] #2745221
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Comp small block roller lifters w/oiling to the bearing.

https://www.compcams.com/endure-x-solid-roller-lifter-set-for-chrysler-273-360.html

Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: justinp61] #2746009
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My KB block has no lifter bushings and no oil to the lifters. Been fine since 2006.


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'69 road runner 440 w/ Indy SRs
'69 road runner 440-6, 4 speed...Dad's ride
'71 Demon 340 resto project
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax...toy hauler
'16 Grand Caravan SXT...baby hauler
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
My KB block has no lifter bushings and no oil to the lifters. Been fine since 2006.

Which lifters are in that motor? Are they for a stock hemi iron block or are they chrome?


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Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: Cab_Burge] #2746122
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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
My KB block has no lifter bushings and no oil to the lifters. Been fine since 2006.

Which lifters are in that motor? Are they for a stock hemi iron block or are they chrome?

Isky 3472-RH Red Zone.


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'70 hemicuda street car...8.91 at 150.5 mph w/ 4.10s, 8.97 at 152.5 mph w/ 3.54s so far
'69 road runner 440 w/ Indy SRs
'69 road runner 440-6, 4 speed...Dad's ride
'71 Demon 340 resto project
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax...toy hauler
'16 Grand Caravan SXT...baby hauler
Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2746169
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So I bought the crane ultra lifters. once they showed up I noticed they have a hole in the pushrod cup. does that mean these are pushrod oiling? I cannot find anything that says otherwise. my old crane lifters did not have a hole.
CRN-66543-16

Any thoughts?


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Re: Mechanical roller lifter [Re: HOTMOPR] #2746407
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Pretty simple....... blow air(or carb cleaner, etc) into the hole and see where it goes.


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