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Re: Buying a used race car [Re: Smoparmike] #2744278
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Mike..Are you the fella that had a fire at Cedar Falls a few years ago?

Re: Buying a used race car [Re: Smoparmike] #2744281
02/18/20 02:14 PM
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Definitely have someone take a look at it. I have looked at (and bought) way too many cars that the sellers idea of great condition and my idea were worlds apart.

Kinda like internet dating. Pictures don't lie, but liars take pictures.


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Re: Buying a used race car [Re: dart games] #2744300
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Another great reason to go look at it in person here below.



Cars with vins/cars without.




Originally Posted by 69b1dart
i have 3 race cars for sale,all i get is low ballers,and people that wants to trade worthless chevys for my cars




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Re: Buying a used race car [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #2744324
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Unless it is a car that was originally built by a shop I'm familiar with, being sold by someone I'm familiar with, and with a verifiable history - NO WAY, NO HOW.

I see scary crap for sale on facecrook everyday, people posting comments about how awesome it is, what a great car it is - and I look at the pictures, and it's a complete hillbilly hacked up POS death trap. And I'm thinking "what the h311 are you people looking at and have you never seen a decent car before?"

I've been involved, after the fact, with cars and engines that were bought, dragged home, and then tried to be made usable. Cars and engines that people paid stupid money for and they were TOTAL JUNK. Hillbilly, Harbor Freight welder built, scrap metal trash, roofing material sheet metal, broke up, worn out, silly junk put together by idiots with no clue.. Sometimes they can be made to be OK, usually after spending enough money that they could have built a new car.

A chassis tag is the first thing to look for, but that's not the only thing. It needs to be looked at, closely, by someone who knows what they are looking at and looking for. If you don't, you need the help of someone who does.

Harsh? Maybe, but I get tired of seeing nice guys buy a pile of $#(^ for big money, realize they've been taken and have to unload the junk for a big loss. Sometimes after I've had to break the bad news to them.

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Re: Buying a used race car [Re: tubtar] #2744340
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Yes bought my first Race car from NC.I live in ct
Had a friend nearby that looked at it . I was not disappointed when it arrived.
Trust no one you don’t know and keep in mind it’s a race car. You know what it is used for every time it’s used.
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Re: Buying a used race car [Re: Wirenut] #2744425
02/18/20 09:07 PM
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If the car he has looks good with plenty of RECENT pictures,the only way I would do this is to meet him at the Vega and look at the car he has.If you like what you see then you can buy the car and he can take the vega home work


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Re: Buying a used race car [Re: Smoparmike] #2744430
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Well the location SUCKS! PITA to get to for sure. I’ll give Kevin (Darndart) a shout and see if he knows the car. He’s races at Minot.
Jay

Re: Buying a used race car [Re: J_BODY] #2744455
02/18/20 11:22 PM
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I bought my car from Kentucky and I live on the west coast of Canada. The guy sent me lots of pics that were taken at just the right angles to hide all the garbage. Man was I pissed when I picked up the car on the US side of the boarder.
Tried calling the guy and sent lots of emails with no replies. There is no way in hell I would buy a car for anyone in-order to make a trade. Listen to the guys above and stay clear.

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Re: Buying a used race car [Re: tboomer] #2744481
02/19/20 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by tboomer
Mike..Are you the fella that had a fire at Cedar Falls a few years ago?
Not Me

Re: Buying a used race car [Re: ] #2744482
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Thanks Guys. I told him I'm going to pass on it. He dropped price but I just have a bad feeling about it

Re: Buying a used race car [Re: Smoparmike] #2744493
02/19/20 08:20 AM
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To many moving parts in this ordeal to feel good about.

One guy I know bought a rolling backhalf car that supposedly ran high 10's. He stuck his motor in the car and ran the car 1 day. It drove all over the place and after checking things out realized it was a total pile of crap. Ended up pulling the parts he could and scrapped the chassis to build another.

Second guy I know bought a tube chassis car, I don't think it was certified (big mistake). Car looked great, nice welds, everything, but when he went get it certified the roll cage tubing was to thin. Ended up having to cut the entire cage out and redo to get it to pass cert.

Another guy bought a turn key car that had a known noise in the engine. He bought it what he thought was a "fair" price. Engine ended up having 4 pistons installed backwards, wheel bears were never greased, no cotter pins in anything. When he drilled the rear end housing for a vent, gear oil came out the top as they had filled it completely full.

The ONLY way I'd buy al car is if it's what I considered a fair price and I would still go over EVERYTHING to assure it is done correctly.

Re: Buying a used race car [Re: DusterKid] #2744507
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Originally Posted by DusterKid


The ONLY way I'd buy al car is if it's what I considered a fair price and I would still go over EVERYTHING to assure it is done correctly.



Mine would be so cheap you wouldn’t care! laugh2

Re: Buying a used race car [Re: J_BODY] #2744516
02/19/20 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by J_BODY
Well the location SUCKS! PITA to get to for sure. I’ll give Kevin (Darndart) a shout and see if he knows the car. He’s races at Minot.
Jay

I checked.........Mott , N.D. is way out in the weeds.
About 600 miles from me , and the highlight of the trip would be the restaurant at the truck stop in Tower City.
Well..........I know of a decent pizza joint in Bismarck too.
So I would be bored , but well fed , if I made the trip.
I used to get out that way regularly for work , and west of Bismarck holds nothing but crazy memories.
There was a bar in New Town , N.D. , a small place , but they had a boxing ring set up against one wall.
There was a banner proclaiming " Budweiser presents Friday Night Fights " on the wall next to it and it was blood spattered.
It worked like this.........50.00 to the winner , 25.00 to the loser.
They would line you up against someone who was close to your division and let the fun begin.
The contestants would then take their winnings " losings " and pour it right back into the till.
I got the story from the bartender on a Wednesday night , and I was glad for that.
Because if I was there on a Friday back then , three to eight drinks into the night , I would have been in that ring getting my butt handed to me.
I was strong , but not farm boy strong. laugh2

Re: Buying a used race car [Re: tubtar] #2744566
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West and north of Bismarck is pretty much oil country now, it has settled down somewhat since 2012. The reservation that Newtown is on is the hotspot for drilling now, I work about 40 miles east of there. The oil company I work for doesn’t have wells over there, yet. You probly wouldn’t recognize it nowadays. Has a great casino that brings some nice entertainment (for our area) in and is a very nice place. Me, I live in Gods country, 5 miles into Montana. Lol. Jim.


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Re: Buying a used race car [Re: BANDIT] #2744597
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Say .... a guy from Coder is trying to sell a Charger that he claims runs high 9’s ... but that part of Pennsylvania has 5 feet of snow ... how do you get THE PROOF that the car will run that time ? whistling xmaseek

Re: Buying a used race car [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #2744693
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He must have time slips and a picture of the car at the track with the same car number as the time slip?

Re: Buying a used race car [Re: Smoparmike] #2744888
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As stated, pictures can brutally lie.

Re: Buying a used race car [Re: Smoparmike] #2744897
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Originally Posted by Smoparmike
Very nice looking cars! I think I will call him tonight. I just hate to give the impression I think he might be screwing me.


I think anybody would understand.

How do you think you will feel if he is screwing you?
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Re: Buying a used race car [Re: Wirenut] #2744941
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I have a car in my shop that I was assured was a great car. It was only 5 hours away so I went and took a look. It was nowhere near as described, and it had tech stickers from 2 different tracks on it. I offered the guy less than half what he was asking hoping he wouldn't take it. Unfortunately for me, 2 weeks later he did. We've done a lot of work on it, and it will be a good car, but I keep getting sidetracked by other projects. laugh2


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Re: Buying a used race car [Re: Border-shadow] #2744957
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Originally Posted by Border-shadow
As stated, pictures can brutally lie.


They can. And they can be intentionally vague. I've picked out some ridiculous details from pictures in for sale ads. Typically, if parts of the car you can see are hacked together junk, the rest of it is as well.

Sometimes they just scream - "we used whatever scrap metal we had laying around, bicycle parts, suspension brackets hacked out of I-beams with a blue wrench, old fence posts, 20 year old parts we found at a swap meet.110v Harbor Freight welder. It's all good. Tape measure? We don't need no stinking tape measure." - I've seen some sad crap. There's just no substitute for an in person inspection. And I don't care about ET slips. A death trap will go fast with big horsepower.

Different people can have wildly different definitions of "nice" and/or "junk". Not everyone wants or needs an ex-Pro Stock car or a Bickel RvW car. A decent bracket car car be done on a budget. You just have to pay attention. The world is full of hacks.


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