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Re: Daytona 500 [Re: chargervert] #2744248
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just heard about it this morning on the news. bad, really bad.
praying for the best, and the docs say his condition is non life threatening, but that still bodes not good !
could be the end of racing for him.
praying.
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I wish him well. I hope he recovers fully. luck

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Worse spot to get hit is the roof. They can't close it off much more as it would make it harder to get drivers out.

Perhaps they can double up the roof tubes around the driver's head to increase the strength and still allow access....

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Originally Posted by moparx
just heard about it this morning on the news. bad, really bad.
praying for the best, and the docs say his condition is non life threatening, but that still bodes not good !
could be the end of racing for him.
praying.
angel


Bad .... REALLY BAD ?

Why are these people being so evasive and secretive??

It must be as you said ... REALLY BAD

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Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Originally Posted by moparx
just heard about it this morning on the news. bad, really bad.
praying for the best, and the docs say his condition is non life threatening, but that still bodes not good !
could be the end of racing for him.
praying.
angel


Bad .... REALLY BAD ?

Why are these people being so evasive and secretive??

It must be as you said ... REALLY BAD


"these people"? You mean his family? The family has requested privacy and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. With everything else they should not have to deal with a media circus. They will go public when they are ready to.

Let's face it. As curious as we may be, it's really none of our business.


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Re: Daytona 500 [Re: chargervert] #2744301
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Originally Posted by chargervert
If you watch a few frames before the crash, you will see the Hamlin in the eleven car hit the yellow car of Blaney,and got him loose,then he pulled the classic Dale Earnhardt slingshot move,Blaney couldn't recover from Hamlin punting him,and he hit Ryan taking him out. Hamlin caused that crash,and the fans were booing him after he did his burnout!


Not sure how to arrive at that synopsis.......here it is in slow mo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiV_dIfHZ-Y

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Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by chargervert
If you watch a few frames before the crash, you will see the Hamlin in the eleven car hit the yellow car of Blaney,and got him loose,then he pulled the classic Dale Earnhardt slingshot move,Blaney couldn't recover from Hamlin punting him,and he hit Ryan taking him out. Hamlin caused that crash,and the fans were booing him after he did his burnout!


Not sure how to arrive at that synopsis.......here it is in slow mo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiV_dIfHZ-Y


By watching the video?
I saw nothing that undermines that "synopsis".


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Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by chargervert
If you watch a few frames before the crash, you will see the Hamlin in the eleven car hit the yellow car of Blaney,and got him loose,then he pulled the classic Dale Earnhardt slingshot move,Blaney couldn't recover from Hamlin punting him,and he hit Ryan taking him out. Hamlin caused that crash,and the fans were booing him after he did his burnout!


Not sure how to arrive at that synopsis.......here it is in slow mo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiV_dIfHZ-Y


Your video shows what happened after Hamlin had already gotten Blaney loose and made the slingshot pass,go back a few frames before that,and you will see exactly what I am saying.


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Re: Daytona 500 [Re: chargervert] #2744337
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Originally Posted by chargervert
Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by chargervert
If you watch a few frames before the crash, you will see the Hamlin in the eleven car hit the yellow car of Blaney,and got him loose,then he pulled the classic Dale Earnhardt slingshot move,Blaney couldn't recover from Hamlin punting him,and he hit Ryan taking him out. Hamlin caused that crash,and the fans were booing him after he did his burnout!


Not sure how to arrive at that synopsis.......here it is in slow mo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiV_dIfHZ-Y


Your video shows what happened after Hamlin had already gotten Blaney loose and made the slingshot pass,go back a few frames before that,and you will see exactly what I am saying.


Well it’s not my video....obviously. Is there one that shows the lead-up?

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Only video I saw showed it all from a view of the cars approaching; but I think the bump-drafting and blocking are the central issue as far as causes.
That's gonna be hard to address.
I've always been worried about an impact where Newman was hit. Also tough to address.
NASCAR either already moved the driver's location towards the center, or it's proposed for the next-gen car, I don't recall for certain.
I know from track experience that sight shields indicate something pretty grim, but hopefully somehow that wasn't the case this time.
It's ominous (to me) that there's no word on his condition other than being expected to live.
I sure hope & pray that he's able to survive 100%.
I hate big wrecks, especially stuff like that, and can't comprehend that they'd be enjoyable somehow when people are inside.

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Originally Posted by chargervert
If you watch a few frames before the crash, you will see the Hamlin in the eleven car hit the yellow car of Blaney,and got him loose,then he pulled the classic Dale Earnhardt slingshot move,Blaney couldn't recover from Hamlin punting him,and he hit Ryan taking him out. Hamlin caused that crash,and the fans were booing him after he did his burnout!


See the interview of Ryan Blaney after the race. He said he was trying to pass Newman on the high and low side and it was when he decided he couldn't pass that he tried to push him to the win and it was then he said the bumper locked and he spun him out. Nothing to do with the Hamlin pass.

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I thought that on this gen of NASCAR that the drivers are already kind of left of center. But still to get hit on the window net area has to be a worst case senerio. My wife and I said a prayer for him last night. Still worries me that there have been no updates yet.

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Just heard he is awake and talking to docs!!!!

Re: Daytona 500 [Re: wingman] #2744378
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Originally Posted by wingman
Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Originally Posted by moparx
just heard about it this morning on the news. bad, really bad.
praying for the best, and the docs say his condition is non life threatening, but that still bodes not good !
could be the end of racing for him.
praying.
angel


Bad .... REALLY BAD ?

Why are these people being so evasive and secretive??

It must be as you said ... REALLY BAD


"these people"? You mean his family? The family has requested privacy and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. With everything else they should not have to deal with a media circus. They will go public when they are ready to.

Let's face it. As curious as we may be, it's really none of our business.


Exactly! SOME people have a problem RESPECTING the privacy of others!


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Re: Daytona 500 [Re: GY3] #2744420
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The style of racing is to blame.

Blaney and Hamlin were locked up pushing like heck. If Blaney makes ANY move not in line with the pusher, you get loose. Hamlin was doing what he needed to in pushing, Blaney doing his thing in trying to pass and Newman his... BLOCKING like the ugly girl at the bar with the hot chick... nature of the beast at Daytona and Talladega. Hamlin didn't hook the bumpers on the 12 and 6 at the yellow line with the blocking going on. Blaming Hamlin, NOPE!

The real blame is on Nascrap.

JMHO


Good to hear that Newman was alert and talking. That was a VICIOUS hit to the worst area of the car that it could happen.

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Re: Daytona 500 [Re: Abodysforever] #2744437
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Originally Posted by Abodysforever
Just heard he is awake and talking to docs!!!!


I sure would like to know the source of the information you have provided. Unconfirmed speculation is never a good thing and worse of all, it is a boarderline invasion of Ryan and his family's privacy.

At this point, any info on Ryan's condition will probably come from his race team, and will probably be broadcast from NASCAR. I'm pretty sure today was spent with the family and the Doctors discussing his condition diagnosis and reviewing options. If Ryan is participating in these conversations, that is indeed good news, but really, it really isn't my business.

I would much prefer to give Ryan and his family some privacy at this point. I'm sure they have important desissions they need to make. When they are ready, I'm sure they will share what they feel is important for us to know. Gene

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I replayed it about 5 times,and Hamiln clearly got Blaney loose,and did the bump and slingshot,and Blaney hit Newman taking him out. Blaney tried to regain control but couldn't save it before hitting the 6 car. You could clearly see the back of the 12 car out of control.


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Blaney and Hamlin weren't even close when Newman got turned. Almost 600+ feet from the last push from hamlin about 2 seconds in time

Blaney even said he made two attempts to get by, got blocked and decided to try and push newman. Hamlin was 2 lanes up at that point. Blaney was turning down to go under Newman as he was gonna get pinched into the wall. Yep, he got loose making that move. Sometimes the guy getting pushed causes the issue. Newman was free and clear until Blaney hooked him down near the yellow line. .

Watch Newmans hands, tells the story. He made a nice smooth move to block to the yellow line, then the bad stuff for him started. That's near the gore point of pit road which is a long ways from exit of 4 where the pushing got broken up.

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Got curious enough to look, found a vid with some stop motion and did a screen grab. Ugly hit to be sure but looks like the cage is mostly intact. How much went through the window net is another issue.

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