Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
[Re: RangerDan440]
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I'm seriously tired of everything being digitized, automated and connected. Do we really need 'smart' refrigerators now?
The less we as humans are required to do for ourselves, the less we will be able to do for ourselves. The more that our cars (and other appliances) do for us, the more we as drivers rely on our cars to do for us and that's dangerous; I will not trust a 4000 lb machine at 80 mph to do everything and tell me what to do. There is no replacement for a safe, conscientious driver. I'll turn around and look, thanks. i agree. the more digitized we get it seems the dumber the population gets.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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If you're a good driver you don't need all these extra features to be able to drive. The best driver on the planet can't see everything a backup camera sees. Maybe so but these features also make people lazy. Someone who shoulder checks and physically looks out there windows before backing up or turning is also going to notice something that they wouldn't if they solely depended on these cameras.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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Maybe so but these features also make people lazy. Someone who shoulder checks and physically looks out there windows before backing up or turning is also going to notice something that they wouldn't if they solely depended on these cameras.
That right there is the truth.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
[Re: RangerDan440]
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I'm seriously tired of everything being digitized, automated and connected. Do we really need 'smart' refrigerators now? Just because It-can-be-done, doesn't mean It should be done. Doesn't seem to be the prevailing mentality today with electronics.
The less we as humans are required to do for ourselves, the less we will be able to do for ourselves. The more that our cars (and other appliances) do for us, the more we as drivers rely on our cars to do for us and that's dangerous; It's becoming Cars-Drive-People, not People-Drive-Cars. Can lead to a false belief (subconsciously) that Drive Skill-Awareness isn't needed. [quote}I will not trust a 4000 lb machine at 80 mph to do everything and tell me what to do. There is no replacement for a safe, conscientious driver. I'll turn around and look, thanks. So true. But the Autonomous crowd would disagree with you
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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I'm seriously tired of everything being digitized, automated and connected. The less we as humans are required to do for ourselves, the less we will be able to do for ourselves. The more that our cars (and other appliances) do for us, the more we as drivers rely on our cars to do for us and that's dangerous; I will not trust a 4000 lb machine at 80 mph to do everything and tell me what to do. There is no replacement for a safe, conscientious driver. I'll turn around and look, thanks. gee, imagine that ! what will we, as a society, do if something jacks up our electronic gadgets [possible act of war ?] and NOTHING works ? huh ! i have cars with point ignition plus i own mechanical can openers and a stove with a pilot light. however, i probably won't be able to heat and cook on the stove because i won't be getting any natural gas from the gas company. also, i won't be driving because the gas station doesn't have any hand crank pumps for their tanks. a double edged sword for sure it is.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
[Re: not_a_charger]
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And yet, here we are discussing it by a means that was almost unimaginable when we were teenagers. If you use it as a Tool and Not as a Way-Of-Life, it works fine. Just that it shouldn't "Consume" your Life, But "Enhance"it.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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If you're a good driver you don't need all these extra features to be able to drive. The best driver on the planet can't see everything a backup camera sees. Maybe so but these features also make people lazy. Someone who shoulder checks and physically looks out there windows before backing up or turning is also going to notice something that they wouldn't if they solely depended on these cameras. Backing up is usually at low speed, likely means you are not following anther vehicle, and means you have to decide if looking where you are headed is the best and safest solution. I don't consider backing up and back cameras part of the side mirror replacement decision discussion here. Furthermore, backup cameras can be located with better multiple views then any mirrors, and any driver attempted over the shoulder attempts. The comment this thread is not about vehicles pulling doesn't square, in that some how using mirrors only is unsafe in cars, but pulling a trailer it is safe?
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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And yet, here we are discussing it by a means that was almost unimaginable when we were teenagers. If you use it as a Tool and Not as a Way-Of-Life, it works fine. Just that it shouldn't "Consume" your Life, But "Enhance"it. Such as a camera that has a broader range of vision than a mirror.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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If you're a good driver you don't need all these extra features to be able to drive. The best driver on the planet can't see everything a backup camera sees. Maybe so but these features also make people lazy. Someone who shoulder checks and physically looks out there windows before backing up or turning is also going to notice something that they wouldn't if they solely depended on these cameras. Backing up is usually at low speed, likely means you are not following anther vehicle, and means you have to decide if looking where you are headed is the best and safest solution. I don't consider backing up and back cameras part of the side mirror replacement decision discussion here. Furthermore, backup cameras can be located with better multiple views then any mirrors, and any driver attempted over the shoulder attempts. The comment this thread is not about vehicles pulling doesn't square, in that some how using mirrors only is unsafe in cars, but pulling a trailer it is safe? Backing out of a parking spot or driveway onto a road you get a wider view of what's coming at you doing a shoulder check then what the camera picks up. They (backup cameras) are great for seeing what's below the mirror line or getting in/out of tight spaces. I'd consider it the same sort of deal as side mirror replacement and it came up within the first few posts.
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