Re: sp2p intake for 440 motor home
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A little off topic but related. I've wondered how fuel injection would work on one of these older motor homes. I know where a pretty good looking Travco is. I don't think it would be a worthwhile gain. EFI is great for cold-starts, warm-ups, short trips and town driving. In a motorhome where you fire it up and drive for hours fully up to temperature, well this is the type of driving a carb is at it's best. Sure EFI would be better, but I don't think better enough to justify the expense.
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Re: sp2p intake for 440 motor home
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When I bought my AMC Javelin, it had an SP2P and an Edelbrock 600 on top of the 360. The car ran a best of 15.1 to 14.9 in the quarter at Spokane Raceway. I later switched to a Performer and a Holley 600 (and ok, swapped to 3.15 gears from the 2.87) and picked up almost a full second in the quarter plus gained the ability to bark second gear. I used to have a timeslip in my wallet for my best run of 14.2 @ 99 mph, but it faded away.
(Yes, I realize that's slow. But the car was just my basic daily driver street car.)
SP2P's work better on 318's, Ford 302's, and Chevy 305/307's. Big cubic-inch engines are strangled by them. I'm not kidding! The ports are literally the diameter of a dime! When I swapped from SP2P to Performer, I was shocked at how tiny the ports were on the SP2P.
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Re: sp2p intake for 440 motor home
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Yeah, you could plug them with a marble. The intake ports that are up against the cylinder head ? I’ve seen A LOT of diff models of the SP2P intakes ... and that’s not my observation at all.
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Re: sp2p intake for 440 motor home
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When I bought my AMC Javelin, it had an SP2P and an Edelbrock 600 on top of the 360. The car ran a best of 15.1 to 14.9 in the quarter at Spokane Raceway. I later switched to a Performer and a Holley 600 (and ok, swapped to 3.15 gears from the 2.87) and picked up almost a full second in the quarter plus gained the ability to bark second gear. I used to have a timeslip in my wallet for my best run of 14.2 @ 99 mph, but it faded away.
(Yes, I realize that's slow. But the car was just my basic daily driver street car.)
SP2P's work better on 318's, Ford 302's, and Chevy 305/307's. Big cubic-inch engines are strangled by them. I'm not kidding! The ports are literally the diameter of a dime! When I swapped from SP2P to Performer, I was shocked at how tiny the ports were on the SP2P. RamMan ... I’m surprised the SP2P did as well as it did ! It is in no way a HIGH PERFORMANCE intake manifold. What it’s for is low rpm GRUNT throttle response and better MPG..... and the carb should be tweaked over stick I’ve even SEEN people making flaming mistakes with the SP2P .... like blocking the heat crossover!
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Re: sp2p intake for 440 motor home
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On the 440 Sp2P we sat it down next to a 1968 383 2bb Iron boat anchor. the ports were about the same on both the carb and head ends. So yes a Marble may block it but its a big marble.
Understanding on a 440 a 383 2bbl port is NOT a race port but its not that bad if you KNOW you will not be drag racing your 32 foot long Winnabago. Will it pull past 4500 RPM, YES but it will be lazy.
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Re: sp2p intake for 440 motor home
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On the 440 Sp2P we sat it down next to a 1968 383 2bb Iron boat anchor. the ports were about the same on both the carb and head ends. So yes a Marble may block it but its a big marble.
Understanding on a 440 a 383 2bbl port is NOT a race port but its not that bad if you KNOW you will not be drag racing your 32 foot long Winnabago. Will it pull past 4500 RPM, YES but it will be lazy. The head side of a 383 2 bbl intake port is the same as a SP2P 440 ? I haven’t seen that type boat anchor in a loooong time but I sure don’t remember that
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Re: sp2p intake for 440 motor home
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that intake needs to be thrown as far from your motor as possible. Well od ... TOSS IT right here .... these intakes worked GREAT on big boats like big Chrysler wagons and Imperials tooooo !
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Re: sp2p intake for 440 motor home
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Doc, last time I seen that SP2P 440 was about 18 years ago. He had the Iron 440 4bbl next to the Iron 383 2bbl next to the SP2P 440. Yes it was smaller than the Iron 440 one. I know it was bigger than the ports on my SP2P 318 that we had on a 1965 Dart GT 273 (with ported 66 273 heads). Just because it had SP2P on it, not all of them had 260Ford-265Chevy-273Mopar size ports.... That would be stupid. Guess the OP just needs to put a Tunnel ram with two Domanators on his Motorhome.
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Re: sp2p intake for 440 motor home
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Sorry to post and run had some stuff come up. Anyways, 32ft Travco, 32" tall tire, 4.56 gear, 518 trans, 440 with KB184 pistons, 452 heads set up properly for .040 quench, cast iron manifolds, and a thermoquad for starters.
RPM calculator in overdrive shows 60mph at 2000 rpm, 70 at 2300. With 400 plus ft lbs of torque from 2000 to 4000 I don't know why I would ever spin it higher than 4k.
Idea behind the intake is if it will increase fuel mileage from 7.5 to 8mpg that equates to about a 6.6% savings in gas. Hoping I can do even better than .5 mile per gallon improvement with the step pistons and quench.
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Re: sp2p intake for 440 motor home
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And,..... Whats your 60 foot time? Someone said, way up in the posts, to try it and see. Whats it take to swap a manifold on the 440? Drain the coolent, undo the bolts pull the iron anchor off and with some new chinawall seals and a squirt of RTV and 'Bob's your uncle'. I think the Thermoquad will bolt on to the SP2P. And if it restricts air flow, the Thremoquad will still only flow what the engine can pull.
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Re: sp2p intake for 440 motor home
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No need to drain the coolant for an intake swap on a 440.
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Re: sp2p intake for 440 motor home
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Sorry to post and run had some stuff come up. Anyways, 32ft Travco, 32" tall tire, 4.56 gear, 518 trans, 440 with KB184 pistons, 452 heads set up properly for .040 quench, cast iron manifolds, and a thermoquad for starters.
RPM calculator in overdrive shows 60mph at 2000 rpm, 70 at 2300. With 400 plus ft lbs of torque from 2000 to 4000 I don't know why I would ever spin it higher than 4k.
Idea behind the intake is if it will increase fuel mileage from 7.5 to 8mpg that equates to about a 6.6% savings in gas. Hoping I can do even better than .5 mile per gallon improvement with the step pistons and quench. Wow mGo ! ... is this combo all done ? ... or jsta planned ? Your 8 mpg goal ? ... you should be able to get that with a pig fat Berri crab !! What will your driving habits be ? Keeping up with traffic or a easy cruise in the far right lane with the cruise control clicked at 60 or so mph ?
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Re: sp2p intake for 440 motor home
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Just planning stages now. Starting to gather parts hence the question about the intake. I have the 440, 518, and adapter already and will start building them shortly.My wife has a couple years left before she retires and we start traveling. I will be pulling a double decker trailer with my challenger and a small boat on it so 65mph probably as fast as I would care to drive in the wide open spaces.
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