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Re: Lower Control arm bushing options [Re: Mopar Mitch] #2735563
01/22/20 12:22 PM
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Delrin is normally considered a high performance nylon derivative. They are different, but both are a step up from poly regardless IMO.


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Re: Lower Control arm bushing options [Re: Mattax] #2735640
01/22/20 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mattax
Originally Posted by DynoDave
Originally Posted by Mattax
Reaction strut bushings are place I would consider poly
But then strut rod placement must be checked and if needed, bushing thickness modified.
Otherwise you may find the LCA being pushed back (or forward) from its proper position - especially when using nylon or poly LCA bushings.


I understand the concept of what you're saying. If it doesn't take this thread too far into the weeds, can you describe how strut rod placement is checked?


Sure. I made a webpage about it long ago. It was particulalry an issue with the poly strut bushings when used on A-bodies, or at least the a-bodies with the earlier struts.

Basically I test fit the LCA and strut assembly without the strut bushings.
With no bushings, then measurements could be made for reference. This is the position of the strut relative to the K frame where the strut and LCA are not being pushed back (or forward).
Prob best to have the LCA at a somewhat horizontal position (representing typical ride ht) not hanging down.

http://www.heritech.org/cuda/bushings.html


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Re: Lower Control arm bushing options [Re: tex013] #2735651
01/22/20 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tex013


Thanks Mattax .
Will look them up . I know Bergman also do a delrin bush , but i think they recommend heim joint strut rods at same time and no greaseable pivot pin
Vibration is no issue , i have 80 profile tyres . Lots of comfort there .
I would think it might free up lca movement as there is no torsional twist/bind like a factory bush

Tex

Pete doesn't autoross much but does have a bunch of track time experience etc with pretty sticky tires.
My point is he has experience with his products.
I think he may now have the greasable or he suggests customers use Firmfeel's.

Seeing that your in Sidney, see what is available for Valiants. The SPAX shocks on my car were intended for Aus - Valiants. There was a larger market for saloon racing in your county and new Zealand than other parts of the world. Not everything transfers over but many things only need minor rework. The bushings for the rear shocks are slighlty different ID. Easily modified to fit the US and US export A-bodies. Wouldnt surprise me if the LCA bushings are the same.

Re: Lower Control arm bushing options [Re: Mattax] #2735802
01/23/20 11:17 AM
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Delrin LCA, and rod end struts are least compliant combination for sure, and with a rod end strut, the effective arc length is usually shortened, aggravating any needed compliance.
Two things come to mind that might offset the compliance direction of that combination, the user does not have reinforced LCA ( laugh2, don't get me started) and the on track suspension sees limited vertical movement, either mainly by smooth track surface, choice of Swaybar and/or TB, etc..


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Re: Lower Control arm bushing options [Re: jcc] #2736582
01/25/20 05:27 PM
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Mattax ,
Thanks . I run a 68 b body . Even with some road race stuff here it is a quite small market .
JCC , i think you are on it . There must be some give to combine vertical lca with a fixed strut rod through an arc . For mine , street/strip , it might be an "either or" situation . Heim strut rod and poly/rubber lca bush or delrin lca bush and poly/rubber strut bush . ?

Tex


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