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Re: A body front steer rack
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Lower ball joints are swapped on bothe cars. Doesn't this induce a bunch of positive camber when you do that? I was looking at trying that one time and I remember the ball joint was angled and offset so I automatically ruled that possibility out.
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Re: A body front steer rack
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01/16/20 08:26 PM
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Didn`t effect the camber. That I could see.
Did`nt have any issues getting everything to line up.
The 68` needs more caster,has power rack and ratio is too quick/light. However it is a lot of work to add caster or remove it. Tie-rod length and height would need to be changed also.......too lazy to do all that again.
At ride height the rack and tie-rods need to be somewhat level.
Beyond that you will get severe toe-in at max travel up or down---toe-out in the middle or a combination of both.,which is why a common band-aid is restrict front end travel. On a fast drag car you don`t need much travel which makes it a lot simpler. Street cars or roundy stuff is much much harder to retro-fit. Main reason I made my own K frame.
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Re: A body front steer rack
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01/17/20 01:18 PM
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The key is a combination of rack length that fita the length of the lower control arms for zero bumpsteer and also places the tie rod end correctly for ackerman for a street car. For a race car(mine) zero ackerman saved my keester three times and allowed me to correct quickly when i blew an oil system gasket at 150 mph , got sideways at 125 mph on a slick track, and again at 135 mph when i hit a dip in the track with the brakes on hard.. I don't recall seeing many successfully recovering from being out of shape as bad as i was. Credit the fact that the front wheels stayed dead parallel at all steering angles so the front end didn't push me into a spinout.
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Re: A body front steer rack
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01/18/20 03:04 PM
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Well I talked myself out of building one. To many other projects going on. This should be done in a few months. Is that a few months wait time for him to build you the suspension? And what does a setup like that cost? I am probably going to go that route too so I can keep the factory spindles and brakes but I need to be going back together pretty quick for the start of the season.
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68 Dart 502 BB 8.70s-152
414 cid SB Dragster 7.65-174
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Re: A body front steer rack
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01/18/20 03:30 PM
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That is a nice looking set up. Does it use your stock spindle then? Jim
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Re: A body front steer rack
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What brand is it and can you provide us contact info please   Are you going to way it and all your old parts also? The reason I'm asking is I had a early A body tube K frame, it weighed 2 lbs. less than the stock K frame did before cleaning the stock one  21 lbs. for the tube one and 23 lbs. for the stock K member on a 1000 lb. certified warehouse scale  I have several 1967 and later stock A and B body K members so it will be interesting to hear on your weight differences on the B body K members only. I've ben using elephant ears and front motor plates for years on my hot street and strip cars and I know all the engine mount parts add up on weight, my last BB Duster had right at 49.7 % weight on the rear tires, 50.3 % on the front tires  That baby would hook up in a mud puddle in the middle of a rain storm   AKA, aside it flat worked well  I did move the rear axle forward one inch ( I had to stretch the rear wheel wells five inches, three inches on the front side and two inches on the rear side  ) and I moved the 400 block back as far back as I could and still get the valve covers off with the heater installed
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Re: A body front steer rack
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Even adding a lot of gussits to my son's 68 Dart front X member and I added a lot, it was still about 28 pounds on my bathroom scale....
Now total weight, what is taken off and added back on?
The manual box VS Mustang II rack?
Stock slot motormounts VS motor plates with Elephant ears?
I can't see the items weighting much different.
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Re: A body front steer rack
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Well I talked myself out of building one. To many other projects going on. This should be done in a few months. I have this set up on my car as well. Been thru dragweek and won my class. With the cost of this set up don’t know why you would do it yourself. For what you see in pictures it is $1550. Tory Shellehamer makes them and you can find him on Facebook .
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Re: A body front steer rack
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What brand is it and can you provide us contact info please Are you going to way it and all your old parts also? The reason I'm asking is I had a early A body tube K frame, it weighed 2 lbs. less than the stock K frame did before cleaning the stock one 21 lbs. for the tube one and 23 lbs. for the stock K member on a 1000 lb. certified warehouse scale I have several 1967 and later stock A and B body K members so it will be interesting to hear on your weight differences on the B body K members only. I've ben using elephant ears and front motor plates for years on my hot street and strip cars and I know all the engine mount parts add up on weight, my last BB Duster had right at 49.7 % weight on the rear tires, 50.3 % on the front tires That baby would hook up in a mud puddle in the middle of a rain storm AKA, aside it flat worked well I did move the rear axle forward one inch ( I had to stretch the rear wheel wells five inches, three inches on the front side and two inches on the rear side ) and I moved the 400 block back as far back as I could and still get the valve covers off with the heater installed I have weight the parts multiple times and posted them here and Facebook, it’s 65lbs difference. With that much weight on rear tires were you trying for a wheel stander? 😎
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Re: A body front steer rack
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01/19/20 12:26 PM
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Well I talked myself out of building one. To many other projects going on. This should be done in a few months. Really like the design of the lower control arm connections (triangle), rack is way to far forward but it can be moved. There’s a lot of spindles out there designed with the tie rod in front, just use the the proper ball joints. You don’t have to stay with the Chrysler type either. Speedway makes one for circle track. Just my 2 Cents
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Re: A body front steer rack
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Well I talked myself out of building one. To many other projects going on. This should be done in a few months. Really like the design of the lower control arm connections (triangle), rack is way to far forward but it can be moved. There’s a lot of spindles out there designed with the tie rod in front, just use the the proper ball joints. You don’t have to stay with the Chrysler type either. Speedway makes one for circle track. Just my 2 Cents Rack is just in front of balancer. Where are you going to move it? Can’t go back farther the engine is there. I guess your gonna mount it under the engine and jack up ride height? Don’t see how your idea is possible.
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Re: A body front steer rack
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01/19/20 01:58 PM
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Well I talked myself out of building one. To many other projects going on. This should be done in a few months. I have this set up on my car as well. Been thru dragweek and won my class. With the cost of this set up don’t know why you would do it yourself. For what you see in pictures it is $1550. Tory Shellehamer makes them and you can find him on Facebook . Shot him a PM on Facebook. Thanks!
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68 Dart 502 BB 8.70s-152
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Re: A body front steer rack
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01/20/20 11:32 AM
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Well I talked myself out of building one. To many other projects going on. This should be done in a few months. Really like the design of the lower control arm connections (triangle), rack is way to far forward but it can be moved. There’s a lot of spindles out there designed with the tie rod in front, just use the the proper ball joints. You don’t have to stay with the Chrysler type either. Speedway makes one for circle track. Just my 2 Cents Rack is just in front of balancer. Where are you going to move it? Can’t go back farther the engine is there. I guess your gonna mount it under the engine and jack up ride height? Don’t see how your idea is possible. If so I would not have it, I want the rack swivel centerline on the inner pivot of the lca and the tie rod tube parallel to the lca because as we know the upper and lower control arms pivot on a different arc. The higher the outside tie rod is the more it will toe outl on a wheely. This puts the rack below the balanced. I’ll add..IMO
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Re: A body front steer rack
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Well I talked myself out of building one. To many other projects going on. This should be done in a few months. I have this set up on my car as well. Been thru dragweek and won my class. With the cost of this set up don’t know why you would do it yourself. For what you see in pictures it is $1550. Tory Shellehamer makes them and you can find him on Facebook . Looks like a great swap from the stock setup. other than tubular uppers and strut bars to carry the weight of the coil holding the front up, what shock is needed? obviously a coil over type and I guess you can use your own length too 65lbs sounds great too !
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Re: A body front steer rack
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Well I talked myself out of building one. To many other projects going on. This should be done in a few months. I have this set up on my car as well. Been thru dragweek and won my class. With the cost of this set up don’t know why you would do it yourself. For what you see in pictures it is $1550. Tory Shellehamer makes them and you can find him on Facebook . Looks like a great swap from the stock setup. other than tubular uppers and strut bars to carry the weight of the coil holding the front up, what shock is needed? obviously a coil over type and I guess you can use your own length too 65lbs sounds great too ! I run a Afco da shock with 5 in stroke. I run one designed to fit a factory mopar in stock location. I believe my shock is part number 3850m but can’t remember for sure. If you are really serious I can go n my garage and get it for you.
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