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Same shaker scoop against the grill.
I'll let you form your own opinion..... I have mine...
After a brief time of the very first argent shaker scoops being hand painted at Fram, I am told they were sent 40 miles up the road for painting to N.A.P.,the same facility that manufactured and painted 70 Barracuda grills.

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Here's another one. Both were stored above my garage out of direct sunlight all these years

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Thx for posting Terry, it saves me the time to take the picture of my 70 survivor that hasn't seen the light of day since 72. And yes, my original bubble matches the grille.

Who was it that said they didn't match?

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actually mike, it would be to the interest of this debate if you would take a FULL picture of yours as I seem to remember from the last debate on this, everyone thought it looked as though it was light.

guess i cant dispute whats in the pictures presented so far, but until i see one in person and compare to original formulas, pigmnets and colors i am still of the Lt argent/ dk/med grille believers.

also, are those early or late cars shown?

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It's just not that important to me to try to convince you of anything when your mind is made up. With absolute facts, you still want to debate and I’m not going there this time.

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rattle can textured argent paints aren’t remotely close to factory paint. It works fine for the average guy restoring their car with acceptable results, however, never should it be used for any OE type work.

OK, I'm the "average guy", but strive for OE type work. Nobody out there in the "Mopar family" is wiling to share their argent with "little brother". I've got a good grill and bubble....all I need is the paint, and I'm capable of loading up my gun and giving the pieces a fresh coat of argent....if I could get it! I HATE rattle cans for anything (other than WD40!). I fill up the gun anytime anything needs paint, but when it comes to argent the "average guy" doesn't have a choice. Hey Mike, when's BE&A going to start offering their argent by the quart?

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OK, I think I'll paint my '70 bubble black. That way EVERYBODY knows it's the wrong color! I really didn't mean for this to get into an argument, and apologize for that. I think my next post will be "What is the right wingnut for an A12?". So at this point I'm calling it a tie and saying either would be deemed correct. What do the OE Gold cars have? Any judges want to toss their opinion into the ring?

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It's just not that important to me to try to convince you of anything when your mind is made up. With absolute facts, you still want to debate and I’m not going there this time.

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actually mike its not about convincing me of changing my mind, it is for the side by side comparison to continue to document the differences/similarites and everyones knowledge!

Although, some how, when i left off with this last night i kinda knew how you would respond....

so let me print a quote from an email i rec'd privately regarding your shaker after you posted a sliver of it in the last debate on this:

"You are right about the Mike Ross scoop.... definately light"...

so i am not the only one thinking that...

However, since you think you and your car are above it, I have no problem not discussing it with you, and we'll let it go at that, as like you with me, its just not that important to me that you know all you can know (or think you do), about the formulas and how they were sprayed. (yes that is a dig).


BTW, this is the first time in 20 plus years, that i have ever seen any pictures side by side of original parts from those who have said the scoops were the same color as the grilles.

So until now, yes my mind was made up. although i have yet to see any pieces in person that used the same pigments, or be able to dissect the pigments (something i doubt you have done) to determine the origin of their shade its just another hazy piece of the puzzle to me.

Regards

Mike

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black would also be correct (my understanding is that after may 1970 they came this way also)

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Here's another one. Both were stored above my garage out of direct sunlight all these years

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something that may or or may not be known? is this stuff was not a chrysler specifc paint, it was the beginng of the OE paint mfg's custom radiance color line, and there is supposed to be a chip chart of all the different colors that were available, but i have yet to find or see that..

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Here's another one. Both were stored above my garage out of direct sunlight all these years

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I realy hate to post,but I have a QUESTION
For one the picture Macannix posted looks 99% of what the 71 challenger grille I had till 2004 Car also was a 318 car with wide hood trim.
Heres the Queston
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something that may or or may not be known? is this stuff was not a chrysler specifc paint, it was the beginng of the OE paint mfg's custom radiance color line, and there is supposed to be a chip chart of all the different colors that were available, but i have yet to find or see that..

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When you said OE paint mfg's custom radiance color line Are you talking about the PPG Radiance Candy paint base paint that went on before the top coat and clear? That was used in the early-middle 80's before the Radiance 2 came out?
A friend of mine is a pack rat but moved 3 months ago and had to toss stuff out. But He may still have that color chip book. If that is what you are saying I will ask him if he still has it

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Don’t forget that the flake is a true metal material that also oxidized, at rate specific to it’s environmental surroundings.

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When dealing with procedures of the past, it helps to understand the technology used during a specified era and the changes that result over time. We discuss the condition and appearance of these NOS and original items today but they do not have the same fundamental features that they possessed some 40 years ago. Rather than debate the characteristics of these components, it is important to understand how these parts started out and the changes that may have taken place over time.

The grill and the shaker bubble were painted with the same engineered paint color. The plants would have ordered the paint in bulk but variations would have occurred due to slight changes between the batches. Next you must consider the bonding surfaces and material differences that existed between the two manufactured parts. The grill had the textured paint sprayed directly over the plastic composite, molded surface. The plastic would have exhibited aging color changes, that over time, would have altered the hue of silver paint. The same logic for the shaker scoop. It was a fiberglass composite material BUT used red oxide primer , on most of the bubbles, as a basecoat BEFORE the metallic silver was applied. The darker red base coat could have altered the color cast of the argent silver paint. If some of the shaker bubbles had a greater amount of silver paint material applied, a difference would have resulted in the depth or density of the silver coating. You have two totally different surface materials, aging in a manner that could impact the appearance of the colors as time progressed. Don’t forget that the flake is a true metal material that also oxidized, at rate specific to it’s environmental surroundings. An original grill will be exposed to conditions different than those of the shaker bubble. The engine heat alone will bake and alter the silver paint finish of a bubble.

If you understand the specifics that affect the overall appearance of paint, it is easy to explain how these subtle color changes will occur.

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