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Re: Where did everybody go? [Re: Al_Alguire] #2731759
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I’m pretty sure we have an Indy headed, Indy block Mopar at keystone built by Bowman Performance in Pa that runs 4.50’s@2350 pounds in a door car. That’s moving along pretty good for a weekly fielded bracket car.

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Re: Where did everybody go? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2731766
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Spinny things do that...Im an NA guy by heart and that's where I will stay. Done the nitrous thing done the blower deal. I prefer to go fast with no help and there is only so far one can go with a Mopar...But hey you already knew that anyway smile No winning with you sometimes is there smile


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Re: Where did everybody go? [Re: Al_Alguire] #2731818
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
Spinny things do that...Im an NA guy by heart and that's where I will stay. Done the nitrous thing done the blower deal. I prefer to go fast with no help and there is only so far one can go with a Mopar...But hey you already knew that anyway smile No winning with you sometimes is there smile



Ohhh my. I forgot to mention that it is NA, ALL BALLS. The Ohio and Pa guys don’t mess around
4.56 best @2350lbs 622 ci NA.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Where did everybody go? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2731819
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
Spinny things do that...Im an NA guy by heart and that's where I will stay. Done the nitrous thing done the blower deal. I prefer to go fast with no help and there is only so far one can go with a Mopar...But hey you already knew that anyway smile No winning with you sometimes is there smile



Ohhh my. I forgot to mention that it is NA, ALL BALLS. The Ohio and Pa guys don’t mess around
4.56 best @2350lbs 622 ci NA.


2350lbs, or 3250lbs???


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Re: Where did everybody go? [Re: JERICOGTX] #2731820
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It went on a 900# diet in 2 1/2 hours... biggrin


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Re: Where did everybody go? [Re: JERICOGTX] #2731823
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Originally Posted by JERICOGTX
Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
Spinny things do that...Im an NA guy by heart and that's where I will stay. Done the nitrous thing done the blower deal. I prefer to go fast with no help and there is only so far one can go with a Mopar...But hey you already knew that anyway smile No winning with you sometimes is there smile



Ohhh my. I forgot to mention that it is NA, ALL BALLS. The Ohio and Pa guys don’t mess around
4.56 best @2350lbs 622 ci NA.


2350lbs, or 3250lbs???


Sorry, FAT fingers. Lol.
Its a true wedge engine not a predator or hemi!


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Where did everybody go? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2731909
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2350 is a TOTALLY different story. I have been just a click slower at that weight in VEGAS at ELEVATION with a measly 604" apparently its a turd and I have no clue what I'm doing.

So do tell is it a 600-13X, headed deal? If not I would LOVE to hear all about it as I have not seen a STOCK bore space WEDGE head come anywhere near that on HP.

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Re: Where did everybody go? [Re: Al_Alguire] #2731912
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
2350 is a TOTALLY different story. I have been just a click slower at that weight in VEGAS at ELEVATION with a measly 604" apparently its a turd and I have no clue what I'm doing.

So do tell is it a 600-13X, headed deal? If not I would LOVE to hear all about it as I have not seen a STOCK bore space WEDGE head come anywhere near that on HP.




Keep in mind this is a weekly raced car so some corners were taken. Many of those weeks he’s out twice a week as he loves making passes.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Where did everybody go? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2731916
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Im all ears..Tell me about this stock bore space wedge headed deal making 1250hp. I mean that's what it takes to run 4.50's at 2350 so teach me what I'm doing wrong.


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Re: Where did everybody go? [Re: n20mstr] #2731921
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Originally Posted by n20mstr
purple shafts , 727 and Dana rears....

Pinion angle,

9" vs DANA

727 vs turbo 400 or Glide

Small block VS Big Block

it can only go on for so long....

LMAO



And as I quote this, there is a pinion angle with leaf springs post in the race section.......Yeah, I think I will pass.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Where did everybody go? [Re: Al_Alguire] #2731923
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
Im all ears..Tell me about this stock bore space wedge headed deal making 1250hp. I mean that's what it takes to run 4.50's at 2350 so teach me what I'm doing wrong.




Why are you hung up on Stock bore spacing. I don’t hear the “Chevy guys” sweating the little stuff. Just do it.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Where did everybody go? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2731930
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Im not, I asked the question on your statement, teach me, apparently I have been doing it wrong seem pretty apparent that is your opinion. What head is on this beast making 1250hp? All I asked, maybe Im missing the boat. Hell 1250 is more than even INDY claims so I am truly curious. If you don't understand why the bore spacing would make a difference then I don't know what to tell you.

BTW I have a 600-13x engine as well. I am fairly well aware of what that head can do as well. 4.50's here in a 2000lb dragster with a single 4 cast intake. Seems you have more than one burr up your butt. I am open minded and have run just about every mopar combo out there. I ran small blocks for a long time, had a small block running 9.80's in the early 90's that I drove around and street raced, oh yeah NA as well W2's welded stroker crank and all. Aint much making that kind of power NA. A couple 600-13XXX headed combos I know of and some Predator stuff. Not seen anything else get there. But I am always willing to learn


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Re: Where did everybody go? [Re: Al_Alguire] #2731945
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I have news for you. Things have not been the same since 9/11/01. Peoples attitudes were changed. Things are better now, but we're still fighting these battles, both internal and external. No one knows what to expect from one election to the next. Anyone who's just clicking along unconcerned about any of it, has managed to stay blissfully ignorant.


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Re: Where did everybody go? [Re: Dragula] #2731948
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Originally Posted by Dragula
Originally Posted by n20mstr
purple shafts , 727 and Dana rears....

Pinion angle,

9" vs DANA

727 vs turbo 400 or Glide

Small block VS Big Block

it can only go on for so long....

LMAO



And as I quote this, there is a pinion angle with leaf springs post in the race section.......Yeah, I think I will pass.


How about pinion snubbers and green bearings ??

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The 622 wedge that pitts is referring to, is a 600-13x,4.840 bore space(required for that head),cast indy tunnelram combo.

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Now if someone wants to talk about 5" bore space Hemi's, I a all ears....


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Where did everybody go? [Re: Al_Alguire] #2732078
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
2350 is a TOTALLY different story. I have been just a click slower at that weight in VEGAS at ELEVATION with a measly 604" apparently its a turd and I have no clue what I'm doing.

So do tell is it a 600-13X, headed deal? If not I would LOVE to hear all about it as I have not seen a STOCK bore space WEDGE head come anywhere near that on HP.


600's won't go on a 4.80 bore space

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Not sure if that is a question or what i said above, If question 600-13x heads only fit on Indys 4.840 bore space block. Uses cheppy style 1/2" hollow dial pins in totally different location than stock.

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Originally Posted by B1MAXX
Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
2350 is a TOTALLY different story. I have been just a click slower at that weight in VEGAS at ELEVATION with a measly 604" apparently its a turd and I have no clue what I'm doing.

So do tell is it a 600-13X, headed deal? If not I would LOVE to hear all about it as I have not seen a STOCK bore space WEDGE head come anywhere near that on HP.


600's won't go on a 4.80 bore space


I know that as I have one...My point being I would LOVE to have a larger bore on my Predator, if it was the same bore as my 600-13 deal it would make more power as well. As for a STD 600-13 or X head making 1250hp...…Hell Indy does not even claim that, and why even bother with a Predator head. Now the -13XXX heads that are a totally different casting all together, they seem capable, but just my opinion from a distance as Ive never seen them in person, but if its gonna happen that where its gonna be.

Different dowel pin location and size, the top row of head bolts is moved, on the second row the two outer bolt holes are spread out, the lower holes are in the same position. No stock oiling(if that matters) ports are slightly lager and of course is capable of 4.600" bore.


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Re: Where did everybody go? [Re: GomangoCuda] #2732123
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Couple of reasons for me.

The site is not Apple friendly. Uploading pictures is a major pain in the a$$. Other forums are effortless if you want to upload a picture quickly from your phone.

The info links that pop up are beyond annoying while trying to post or view

It’s the same 5 people who respond with their opinions on engines and if you don’t agree with them you are deemed the bad guy...

I think it’s time for Moparts to step up or step out

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