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Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: AARCONV] #2729756
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Well my 69 B'cuda is kind of a brute. Stroked big block,3" exhaust,4 spd, 3:73 gear, man steering and brakes. I've made it as comfy as possible with sway bars,sound deadner and a sound system but still a cranky ole muscle car.

We just bought a 2018 Mustang GT convert. It has all the bells and whistles. The 5.0 rpms like a chainsaw so it's a blast to drive and comfy for road trips(taking it to Yellowstone this summer)

I get a ton more attention and thumbs up with the 69 compared to the Mustang

Two completely different rides....both make me smile!

Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: AARCONV] #2729759
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While my ride quality is a bit stiff [in the name of handling], I can put my finger on what made me fall in love with my car again. Most of which has to do with EFI, overdrive, good sound insulation and a/c.

I'd suggest writing down a few things that annoy you about the car and potential fixes. It rides stiff? Shocks are a quick place to start at a relatively low cost. Does it run too slow/high rpm on the highway? An overdrive makes highway cruising completely different.

After doing my Hemi swap, 6-speed conversion, good brakes, etc, if I could feel comfortable leaving it at walmart occasionally and could avoid bad weather days, I'd daily drive it without hesitating.

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Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: PLUM_72] #2729832
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Originally Posted by PLUM_72
If you care to read the long post, thanks...I had to vent a little about my car.
I have had a 72 Challenger for many years now. Its was restored back in the early 90's somewhat stock with several custom touches here and there. The last 5 to 10 years the car has taken a backseat to life, kids activities and other interests. The car always comes out a few times each year, not nearly enough though.
Anyway, through a series of events, I had the car running and drove it last night and today. While there is that old car cool factor, the ride quality and overall experience is lacking. There is this hard, rough and tumble nature of it. I cant put my finger on what it is exactly. My 1980 Buick Regal drove better than this thing ever has. While I don't expect the 72 to be like my 2013 Challenger, I do wonder if something is wrong with the car, or if my age and expectations of the car have changed.
While I would never sell the car, its been a big part of my life, it needs something. Just not sure where to go as the car starts okay, drives and brakes straight. Its not like I can point to one thing that would improve the experience.
Any body else feel this way?


Thanks!


I feel that way every time I drive my Coronet. These cars are pigs compared to anything built in the last 20 years. You can close the gap pretty well with a good set of radial tires, high quality shocks and upgraded torsion bars/anti-sway bars. You'll need disc brakes to close the gap even more. Just pick a compromise that works for you. If you want to keep the car 100% original then it will be a pig to drive. Either accept it or sell it. Ever drive a stock Model A? Those are even worse. Try a stock Model T sometime. Most people can't even figure out how to drive those stupid things.

Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: AndyF] #2729844
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Sorry, but I wasn't impressed with the ride quality of 70-74 E bodies back in 75 or 76. I can't imagine they could come anywhere close to the ride quality of any modern car. That said, sound deadner goes a long ways to help the rattles and squeaks.

I had a buddy that bought a high optioned 74 Challenger 360 Rally (or whatever they were calling the "high performance" Challenger during that time frame. It rode like crap brand new, and the 74 was supposed to be the 'refined" Challengers. I'd take a B body over E an e body any day. The A bodies were about in the middle between the B and the E in ride quality.

But that all went out the window if the car mentioned was the cheap no frills model of any thing. Chrysler had the corner on cheap seats, and cheap cars. If you bought the cheapest version of any model, it was likely a pretty big pile of cheap. Gene

Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: PLUM_72] #2729862
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I look at it differently. My Duster has radial T/As, and KYB shocks with manual drum brakes and steering. No it doesn't handle or brake as good as my 2006 Charger Daytona but for it's age and technology it tracks and stops straight and handles okay for what it is at legal speeds on modern roads. I compare that the 1956 Chevy was only fifteen years between the two and having owned one I can say it rode like a truck, didn't like turns at all and the fact that a passenger side sun visor was an option, the technology and ride is night and day. You have to enjoy an old muscle car for what it is and was, a different time. I wouldn't compare a 1971 RCA Television with rabbit ears to a 60 inch smart LCD flat screen TV either.


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Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: poorboy] #2729863
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I would LOVE to go for a ride in my 69 Dart, maybe someday again...

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Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: PLUM_72] #2729872
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You never could expect what you expect ride wise from a E-body ! twocents

Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: Rhinodart] #2729873
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Wow...That is a devastating image, Rhino.

Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: AARCONV] #2729874
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My wife says her 72 challenger was the best driving riding car.
Without driving or riding shotgun I'd suggest dump all the poly and go back to rubber, get some good shocks (not performance). Good tires properly inflated, aligned and perhaps put highway gears in it. I think I ended up with 293's living in the mountians, drop to 2nd (auto no kit) and never touched the brakes running downhill on one of the twistiest highways in nor cal.
I also added some nice soundproofing, quiet, low restriction exhaust and a nice stereo. She loved that car and still brings it up even though it's been gone 20 yrs.

Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: PLUM_72] #2729892
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I think all the views stated are probably true, despite some are conflicting. You might need to get more specific on what it is you don't like and determine if it's the car, or the expectation, and if it can be made better. Maybe ride in some other Mopar muscle cars and see if it's much different.

My personal experience and opinion is that the E-Body cars are the worst cars for their "feel" of any muscle car I've owned or been in. From the moment that I open the door, it feels like a cheap cheap car to me. Unfortunate, as they are such great looking cars.

But I'm not sure we're necessarily talking about the same thing. shruggy


Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: PLUM_72] #2729896
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Originally Posted by PLUM_72
Originally Posted by kidmopar
you didn't mention any specs on the car ? shruggy

Engine ? Transmission ? Rear gears ?

The car has a 340/727 and 3.91 gears out back. The engine has a mild Comp 262 cam. Suspension was rebuilt using stock parts with a mix of poly and rubber bushings.

I guess I think it should ride/perform like an 80's Camaro or Mustang. It seems pretty far off from that and not in a good way.


And what is it you do with this car? Shows? Cruise-ins? Is what you do so far away that you hate the drive? Sure after almost 30 years you can dump a ton of money in it again to make it ride and handle like a new Challenger, but is that what you really want? If you're not going to part with it maybe you can mothball it for 5 or 10 years then see how you feel. twocents

Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: PLUM_72] #2729909
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Originally Posted by PLUM_72
... last 5 to 10 years the car has taken a backseat ... comes out a few times each year, not nearly enough though...
.... the ride quality and overall experience is lacking... There is this hard, rough and tumble nature of it.



..it needs new tires.


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Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: PLUM_72] #2729957
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Originally Posted by PLUM_72
Originally Posted by kidmopar
you didn't mention any specs on the car ? shruggy

Engine ? Transmission ? Rear gears ?

The car has a 340/727 and 3.91 gears out back. The engine has a mild Comp 262 cam. Suspension was rebuilt using stock parts with a mix of poly and rubber bushings.

I guess I think it should ride/perform like an 80's Camaro or Mustang. It seems pretty far off from that and not in a good way.

I think once you've gotten used to newer stuff and the nicer ride etc., and aged and honestly, testosterone may have dropped, you might not have the passion anymore. Plus, 3.91 gears with a 727 aren't so fun. I find joy getting out of my newer Charger and back into the old stuff with that sound and feel. Btw, an 80's Camaro is a rattle trap POS.

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Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: larrymopar360] #2730090
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time ti slide into a C Body.......

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Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: 67SATisfaction] #2730139
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Originally Posted by 67SATisfaction
Originally Posted by PLUM_72
... last 5 to 10 years the car has taken a backseat ... comes out a few times each year, not nearly enough though...
.... the ride quality and overall experience is lacking... There is this hard, rough and tumble nature of it.



..it needs new tires.


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Listen to Art. Old tires wreck the ride and drive experience of our cars. Start by putting new tires on it. If that doesn't make it better get it aligned and put new mild shocks on it. If you still want more improvement look into sound deadening improvements.

Seriously, if your tires are more than 10 years old replace them regardless of remaining tread. A more conservative approach from others is to never use tires over 6 years old.

Tires.

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Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: blown340] #2730146
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Uhh, not really disappointed with the old ride (my 70 Sport Satellite, sb, factory ac, cruise control, 727, buckets, console) . . . just realistic that it won't be like my 06 Magnum RT AWD. I like to travel long distances in my cars, and for years had C bodies, along with my 74 Duster360 - had that car 32 years. The goal with the B body, was a somewhat larger car than the Duster, but something with factory air, etc, that would be driven. I put larger tbar's in it, FF 3 box, KYB gas shocks, rubber bushings, tubular upper control arms, front disc brakes (manual), front factory sway bar, 3/4" addco rear sway bar, 15" rubber, 3.23 sure grip . . . new foam in bucket seats, along with covers (houndstooth cloth inserts for comfort) . . .

The Satellite is great, but I have said often, if it ever came down to ONLY one car that I could own, it would be my Magnum . . . I have owned since new and put 120k miles on it. As a daily driver this is a great car for me ! Up here in winter the AWD is very welcome (I like fact it is AWD all the time, and not one that senses slip & engages), gas mileage is fine for me, love all the creature comforts . . .

And that is the concern, as one gets older - the creature comforts begin to be more important . . . I love my old cars, but am loving the newer ones too ! Just depends on what you want . . . good luck !

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Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: a12rag] #2730155
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That is a great looking car.

Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: PLUM_72] #2730164
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Originally Posted by PLUM_72
the ride quality and overall experience is lacking. There is this hard, rough and tumble nature of it. I cant put my finger on what it is exactly. My 1980 Buick Regal drove better than this thing ever has. While I don't expect the 72 to be like my 2013 Challenger, I do wonder if something is wrong with the car, or if my age and expectations of the car have changed.
While I would never sell the car, ................ it needs something. Just not sure where to go as the car starts okay, drives and brakes straight. Its not like I can point to one thing that would improve the experience.
Any body else feel this way?


Thanks!


I edited a bit to try to help as best I can.

Yep, I feel this way in my E-bodies too. frown

I have suspension from bone stock low mileage survivor to Trans Am. And I think the biggest difference you are feeling is IRS. Every solid-axle leaf-spring machine from cars to trucks has an awful feel in every situation. The first vehicle I owned with IRS I know it could hang a beating on my Mopars on a track..........and it was an SUV. blush

Shock calibration on these new vehicles is thousands of hours on a suspension dyno and that can never be duplicated by the aftermarket. The OEM's have surpassed Hot Rodders and the aftermarket many years ago in suspension, engine (within emissions regs), handling, and sound deadning. Also, these things can cruise all day at 70mph+ and they hold the road the faster you go. The oldies, well, 3000 rpm at 60mph getting 12 mpg and getting passed by Kia's gets old.

Now, having said that, there are setbacks to that new SRT whatever:

1. Complicated: dealer-only repairs on even the most basic items
2. dealer support/parts end 10 years after production
3. No aftermarket support. And there never will be. PERIOD. I see others have given up arguing with me on this and it's about time they realize I'm right. "Diablo Tuner" cannot diagnose the ABS or security system on your SRT whatever. "Hemifever" cannot diagnose a transmission issue, fix your drive-by-wire or re-initialize a dead PCM
4. Expensive and a depreciating asset.

As for the '80 Buick, yes, they were a pretty luxurious car, but wouldn't that thing weigh about 4000 pounds? Maybe you need a '72 Chrysler for comparison? work





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Re: Disappointed with the old ride [Re: Grizzly] #2730193
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Originally Posted by Grizzly
[quote=PLUM_72] The oldies, well, 3000 rpm at 60mph getting 12 mpg and getting passed by Kia's gets old.



That can be fixed and it's wonderful. 108mph at 3,000rpm. drive

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It got to where I didn't want to drive mine. Thought of selling it. Long story short - I installed a Tremec and side exhaust with cutouts and I love to drive it agin and there are no thoughts of selling it. It used to be refined but now I love the attitude.
As they say - put nothing in and you get nothing out. We get bored with them.


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