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Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: jcc] #2730041
01/04/20 04:57 PM
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He appears to be in Holt County.

Several options.

Contact the County Prosecutor or Sheriif and see if they will get involved. Sometimes when a badge shows up at your doorstep to “investigate” that can sometimes shake things loose.

Contact your local USPO Postal Insoector and see if he can get involved. If you used the USPS to send anything to him they likely will get involved.

If you used a credit card that involves fraud by wire, contact your local FBI office and see if they will get involved.

And - don’t forget the FTC. Go to their website for more info.

If you get someone to listen to you make sure you mention all the bad news on FB. They can obviously find that info too and that may help convince them this guy needs a visit from authorities.

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Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: A727Tflite] #2730046
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Originally Posted by Transman
He appears to be in Holt County.

Several options.

Contact the County Prosecutor or Sheriif and see if they will get involved. Sometimes when a badge shows up at your doorstep to “investigate” that can sometimes shake things loose.

Contact your local USPO Postal Insoector and see if he can get involved. If you used the USPS to send anything to him they likely will get involved.

If you used a credit card that involves fraud by wire, contact your local FBI office and see if they will get involved.


Wire fraud and mail fraud are federal felonies, correct? Either one should have enough jail time attached to get his attention.

Kevin

Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: iapco103] #2730053
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Originally Posted by iapco103
Also appears to be a large contingent of Strong's in the area , going to be hostile territory.


Yep it would be a bummer to call the police and have the guy answer the phone "Officer Strong"...

Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: Twostick] #2730055
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That is terrible news. This happens way too much!



Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: CMcAllister] #2730098
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We keep coming back to this. Not keeping your word is not fraud, deceit, or a crime of any kind despite what the police suggest.
Let me explain "theft by deception":
That's where you provide proof that the person you contracted already knew in advance:
1. he is going to steal your parts
2. he knew what he told you to be false, intended to overcome any hesitation on your part, and without which you would not have given him the work
3. and keep the money
4. and reject any communication

Do you have this proof?


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Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: polyspheric] #2730107
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Originally Posted by polyspheric
We keep coming back to this. Not keeping your word is not fraud, deceit, or a crime of any kind despite what the police suggest.
Let me explain "theft by deception":
That's where you provide proof that the person you contracted already knew in advance:
1. he is going to steal your parts
2. he knew what he told you to be false, intended to overcome any hesitation on your part, and without which you would not have given him the work
3. and keep the money
4. and reject any communication

Do you have this proof?


I did. Guy took down payment money for a car that didn't exist. Used the name of an acquaintance as a reference. I was dumb, lucky to get my cash back. Wouldn't have except for friends who had friends in the right places.

Seems to me these things did happen in this case. Who knows what was in his heart 2 years ago. People should not be allowed to do this crap with impunity. Failing that, people should be able to take matters into their own hands. Tired of seeing crooks have all of the protections under the law.

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Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: CMcAllister] #2730115
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has anyone went on his strong performance facebook and tried to stir something up,when people see what hes done ,he might do something

Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: polyspheric] #2730118
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Originally Posted by polyspheric
We keep coming back to this. Not keeping your word is not fraud, deceit, or a crime of any kind despite what the police suggest.
Let me explain "theft by deception":
That's where you provide proof that the person you contracted already knew in advance:
1. he is going to steal your parts
2. he knew what he told you to be false, intended to overcome any hesitation on your part, and without which you would not have given him the work
3. and keep the money
4. and reject any communication

Do you have this proof?


So, you can take and keep someone's money, promise a service or a product, not deliver and not break any laws? Why do you always stick up for crooks?

Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: justinp61] #2730142
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Originally Posted by justinp61
Originally Posted by polyspheric
We keep coming back to this. Not keeping your word is not fraud, deceit, or a crime of any kind despite what the police suggest.
Let me explain "theft by deception":
That's where you provide proof that the person you contracted already knew in advance:
1. he is going to steal your parts
2. he knew what he told you to be false, intended to overcome any hesitation on your part, and without which you would not have given him the work
3. and keep the money
4. and reject any communication

Do you have this proof?


So, you can take and keep someone's money, promise a service or a product, not deliver and not break any laws? Why do you always stick up for crooks?


That is the way it works, it has nothing to do with sticking up for anyone.

Kevin

Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: CMcAllister] #2730154
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Seems to me these things did happen in this case

Definitely! That's how it gets presented to the prosecutor.


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Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: polyspheric] #2730179
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Originally Posted by polyspheric
We keep coming back to this. Not keeping your word is not fraud, deceit, or a crime of any kind despite what the police suggest.
Let me explain "theft by deception":
That's where you provide proof that the person you contracted already knew in advance:
1. he is going to steal your parts
2. he knew what he told you to be false, intended to overcome any hesitation on your part, and without which you would not have given him the work
3. and keep the money
4. and reject any communication

Do you have this proof?


-Very good points Poly. One way to help (but still not guarantee an easy task) in situations like this is to get a detailed quote for goods and services signed by both parties prior to any custom work started and to mutually sign a contract based on that quote. It can be a PITA, but any considerable amount being spent for work like this from strangers almost warrants this. I buy stuff online too with a CC sometimes...because it's convenient.
It is far easier to pursue contractor fraud in Court with a mutually signed contract not being followed than it is relying on word of mouth, thoughts, "understandings"etc. Emails are helpful sometimes if the communication was clear enough.
The whole idea is to strip away the defendant's ability to disprove negative intent. Sad it has to be like this, but that's the world we live in. In the area where I work at least, with documentation like this charges are filed regularly.

Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: mopar873] #2730184
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A contract... makes it easier to sue him, not to arrest him.

I'd repeat myself based on a few hundred Court of Appeals cases, but....


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Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: polyspheric] #2730186
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Originally Posted by polyspheric
A contract... makes it easier to sue him, not to arrest him.

I'd repeat myself based on a few hundred Court of Appeals cases, but....


What if he has enough evidence to file a small claims court case? I have delivered several civil case papers and if the evidence is there,the judge always will side with the plaintiff. wave


The end is near.....
Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: polyspheric] #2730274
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Originally Posted by polyspheric
A contract... makes it easier to sue him, not to arrest him.

I'd repeat myself based on a few hundred Court of Appeals cases, but....


An arrest means having evidence of a crime and having law enforcement involved. Easier said than done. I know from experience, often LE doesn't put much effort into dealing with property crimes; burglary, theft, embezzlement, unless the victim is someone who matters or the dollar amount is substantial. I guess they figure it's just not worth the effort when the judge is probably just going to slap a wrist and turn 'em loose.

The cards are stacked against the victim these days. Take matters into your own hands and go do the cop's job, then they tend to get excited.

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Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: polyspheric] #2730396
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Originally Posted by polyspheric
We keep coming back to this. Not keeping your word is not fraud, deceit, or a crime of any kind despite what the police suggest.
Let me explain "theft by deception":
That's where you provide proof that the person you contracted already knew in advance:
1. he is going to steal your parts
2. he knew what he told you to be false, intended to overcome any hesitation on your part, and without which you would not have given him the work
3. and keep the money
4. and reject any communication

Do you have this proof?

Yes, I have proof.
1) I found out that this has become a 3 year pattern, with dozens of customers, some right in his own town.
2) The flood that he said hit the shop neighborhood never happened. The tornado that took down half the building never happened.
3) Have plenty of names that paid upfront for machine work, engines, parts
4) Plenty of pages of texts that show no response for months at a time

Doesn't matter. Several locals decided to visit with Dustin today and have a play date. Yes, he's still alive and unharmed. I don't know why, though.

Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: sgcuda] #2730400
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And FYI,

Maybe my investment totals only around the $5,000 mark, but if you add the people that I know of who lost money, parts, and services through Dustin, it is well in excess of $100,000 at this time. Again, this is just the people that I know of.

Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: Twostick] #2730408
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Originally Posted by Twostick
Originally Posted by justinp61
Originally Posted by polyspheric
We keep coming back to this. Not keeping your word is not fraud, deceit, or a crime of any kind despite what the police suggest.
Let me explain "theft by deception":
That's where you provide proof that the person you contracted already knew in advance:
1. he is going to steal your parts
2. he knew what he told you to be false, intended to overcome any hesitation on your part, and without which you would not have given him the work
3. and keep the money
4. and reject any communication

Do you have this proof?


So, you can take and keep someone's money, promise a service or a product, not deliver and not break any laws? Why do you always stick up for crooks?


That is the way it works, it has nothing to do with sticking up for anyone.

Kevin


However, if there is a proven repeating pattern of financial misdeeds, it can prove willful intent, Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby faced these obstacles in court, and one is in jail and the other will likely join him.


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: jcc] #2730533
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It upsets me to no end when things like this happen with places that have a good rep and many satisfied customers. Most of us have been caught in chassis,bodyshop or machine shop prison with some turning out ok and some NOT mad
With being said it's to a point that we must demand a performance contract to go with the original needed contract with a downpayment to cover parts and a receipt for parts sent for the work being contracted. If they are not willing to document EVERYTHING than you might want to go elsewhere. As we saw with Ryan bankruptcy can squash the bast of contracts. Good luck to all involved up


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Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: hemi-itis] #2730571
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Not terrible far from me . .about 100 miles or s, he is a dipstick ..

I tried to warn everyone but, no one wanted to listen ..

He has many people after him for money , he does have lots of relatives .. I have not seen him back at track for couple years .. but, might be going somewhere else

Friend waited couple years for parts and did get them ..oddly enough


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Re: Strong Performance. Run Away!!! [Re: bigdad] #2730579
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a friend got taken by him, tried court , told it was a waste of time

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