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Hughes engines camshafts #2729598
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Anyone one here know what each of these series cams are, HER HEH HTL HE HEV?

Re: Hughes engines camshafts [Re: mopar dave] #2729610
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From their 2003 catalog
HEH = hydraulic flat tappet
HER = Hydraulic roller LA and Magnum engines
HTL = Max Vel Solid flat tappet

I'm running one of their HEV series, which was replaced by the HTL series

Hope this helps


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Thanks for that. Do you like that cam and what do you think about there cams overall?

Re: Hughes engines camshafts [Re: mopar dave] #2729626
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I've been running mine 19 years and no issues to date. HEV5663
The cam I have was ground by Engle for Hughes, I believe Howards makes the cams for Hughes now shruggy
My current build will use a Howards that's the same specs as the Hughes STL6064

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Glad to here those are holding up well. I may be doing a cam change sometime in the future and haven't fully bit the roller bug with the cam selection. I ran a 700 lift in a small block with street miles and had lifters rebuild every 5 yrs. Don't really want to get back into that maintenance gig again with all the expense along with it. I may change my mind on this when the time comes, but right now i'm happy with SFT cams.

Re: Hughes engines camshafts [Re: mopar dave] #2729647
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I ran an HEV in a small block years ago.

1st cam wiped out in 200 miles. Although I insisted we used the correct pressure springs, they told me the reason it wiped a lobe was because I hadn't purchased the springs from them.

After I dug all of the metal out of the pistons, I built another motor and had a 2nd cam wipe out in about 1500 miles. Although I had used their cam, lifter, and spring combo... they told me my block had poor lifter bore geometry, and would not cover any costs of the repair.

Then I bought new pistons, new bearings, rings, etc...bored the motor .010" over, BUSHED the lifter bores as instructed, and broke the motor in on the dyno with the outer springs only as instructed. It wiped out ANOTHER cam of the same HEV profile.

I'll let you decide if you want to buy or use anything from them...but I put a roller in it, and never looked back.

You don't need a killer attack roller lifter profile. Every production car on the planet has a roller cam in it...so the durability is fine if you use the right parts.

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Originally Posted by dizuster
I ran an HEV in a small block years ago.

1st cam wiped out in 200 miles. Although I insisted we used the correct pressure springs, they told me the reason it wiped a lobe was because I hadn't purchased the springs from them.

After I dug all of the metal out of the pistons, I built another motor and had a 2nd cam wipe out in about 1500 miles. Although I had used their cam, lifter, and spring combo... they told me my block had poor lifter bore geometry, and would not cover any costs of the repair.

Then I bought new pistons, new bearings, rings, etc...bored the motor .010" over, BUSHED the lifter bores as instructed, and broke the motor in on the dyno with the outer springs only as instructed. It wiped out ANOTHER cam of the same HEV profile.

I'll let you decide if you want to buy or use anything from them...but I put a roller in it, and never looked back.

You don't need a killer attack roller lifter profile. Every production car on the planet has a roller cam in it...so the durability is fine if you use the right parts.


Just to be curious how much spring pressure did they recommend? I lost one of their camshafts several years ago, using their lifters and springs. When I saw the specs, I called and told them there is no way this cam will live at those pressures. They talked me into it, and to make a long story short it did not live, I sent them cam and lifters back for inspection, and they said that my break-in pattern looked fine on the lobes that did not go flat. basically shrugged their shoulders and said Oh well. Did not even offer to replace the camshaft. I went with a roller and never looked back. I personally never use a flat tappet cam that calls for more than 130 lbs on the seat, I have pushed that with EDM lifters, but if it's over 130 lbs on the seat, and much over .650 lift, I just buy a roller.

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Fear of spring loads?

Go back and read through the whole camshaft/valvetrain sections of the MP engine books.
Read what is said about the spring loads....... then look at the recommended spring part numbers...... and the specs for those springs.
Especially the springs for the bigger flat tappet cams.

Then consider how everyone talks about how old school they are, and that newer, faster rate cams would make more power.

Well, generally........ the faster rate profiles need more load to maintain control of the valvetrain.

Look again at the recommended springs and loads for those old school lobes...... and let it sink in that the newer designs should use more load than that to achieve similar RPM’s before the onset of instability or float.

It doesn’t point towards loads in the 130/330 range being able to get it done.


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Re: Hughes engines camshafts [Re: fast68plymouth] #2729684
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My buddy tried one of their HTL series cams along with there lifters and springs in his big block a few years back. Cam died shortly after break-in. I checked the spring pressures after, Was way higher then necessary. There cams are probably Ok, But I would watch their recommended spring pressures.


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Looks like a few failures. I had a friend with a small block lost one of there cams as well. I think they sent him a new cam, but I know Hughes can be full of excuses when their parts fail. I think OEM's only use hydraulic roller lifers, no solids I know of, so you would still be into pulling lifters every 5 yrs or so.

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back when engle was grinding their cams I asked engle about hughs spring loads. the guy I talked to wasn't on board with hughs spring loading. I run an engle and use engles spring specs and have no issues. I do believe the howards profiles are more aggressive off the seat than the engles and this is were the rub comes in. the more aggressive the lobe the more spring is needed to control the valve train. if having a fast lobe is necessary then buy cam/tappets set up for wheels.; that is if you don't want to take the chance of grinding up the cam/tappets. I don't do the roller thing because I don't need one, and to be honest I don't like the lobes out there and don't trust bronze gears for long term reliability. no free lunches.

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Call Dave and talk to him. After he explains to you how stupid you are you will probably never buy anything from him. Big hint:. Don't mention Moparts to him unless you really want the conversation to go off the rails.

If you decide that you just have to have one of his cams, bypass him and get it from the source.


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I understand too well. I have often wondered if the Dave was related to Russ over at Indy. Nearly the same attitude. If your spending money, then they are tolerable, but ask questions and I feel sorry for you. Here's one of the HEV6876BS cams. 302/309-270/276 108 Intake events 30/60 Exhaust 69/27. Here's mine Dwayne spec'd, it's a comp. 302/308-270/276 110 Intake events 29/61 Exhaust 72/24. Hughes cams are said to have aggressive lobes causing lobe failures. Mine almost the same aggressiveness and i'm under the understanding my cam is neither aggressive nor tame. Mines still going strong after a couple seasons under what I thought was high pressure for a flat tappet. I'll have to look up the pressures.

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135-137@1.900 and 430@1.250 are the pressures.

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I ran two of Daves cams in small blocks, a hydraulic and a flat solid, both made good power. Both engines were ran five years, when the engines were tore down both cams were worn on the nose of the lobe and had porosity on several lobes. I used good oil with eos added, and Hughes recommended springs. For what it's worth Ryan Johnson told me later that he didn't like their springs, said they didn't hold up well. I now run a solid roller.

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Originally Posted by GomangoCuda
Call Dave and talk to him. After he explains to you how stupid you are you will probably never buy anything from him. Big hint:. Don't mention Moparts to him unless you really want the conversation to go off the rails.

If you decide that you just have to have one of his cams, bypass him and get it from the source.


I recall him posting a little diatribe against Moparts years ago when some of the members built an engine for some contest. Calling them amateurs and looking down his nose.

Decided right then and there he was a vendor I chose not to support.


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Originally Posted by GY3
Originally Posted by GomangoCuda
Call Dave and talk to him. After he explains to you how stupid you are you will probably never buy anything from him. Big hint:. Don't mention Moparts to him unless you really want the conversation to go off the rails.

If you decide that you just have to have one of his cams, bypass him and get it from the source.


I recall him posting a little diatribe against Moparts years ago when some of the members built an engine for some contest. Calling them amateurs and looking down his nose.

Decided right then and there he was a vendor I chose not to support.



I wasn't going to bring it up- It was in the early 2000's and it was for Engine Masters. His response to an innocent group of guys running down the checklist of "what could have caused this" was way over the top. It is easily in the top three Moparts meltdown threads of all time (along with the 70 purple Daytona and anything posted by Eddie/Elvis with the Duster). His response convinced me to never use their products, and I am typically not like that. They have some of the highest rates of lift for duration out there in the flat tappet world but by the time you can control the valvetrain, you are on the absolute ragged edge of what can be accomplished with a flat tappet cam. If anything is off, even by a hair, you are in trouble. I just went to Engle who ground for them at the time and got something with slightly slower ramps.

Hats off to fast68plymouth for being so professional in his response. He knows the deal- you sir, are a gentleman.

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For those that never saw it and those that may have forgotten:


https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/7156/1.html


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Originally Posted by justinp61
I ran two of Daves cams in small blocks, a hydraulic and a flat solid, both made good power. Both engines were ran five years, when the engines were tore down both cams were worn on the nose of the lobe and had porosity on several lobes. I used good oil with eos added, and Hughes recommended springs. For what it's worth Ryan Johnson told me later that he didn't like their springs, said they didn't hold up well. I now run a solid roller.
the engles don't have as much nose radius as something like comp cams. I think the "peakier" noses aren't as comfortable with big pressures and can be more susceptible to wear. I've used several engles without any issue but don't use big springs. the engles aren't as fast off the seat as something like a comp extreme which I think helps with break in. I've got about 20,000 miles on a engle solid. may go away tomorrow; may be good for a few more years but I sure got my moneys worth out of it. in fact I had an extra one made for a spare because I like the one I have.

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FWIW, I've run a couple Engle FT cams, and my engine-builder/crew-chief/guru has used them a lot. We've had excellent results, easy, reasonable, & quick guys to deal with.
I did get a Hughes cam once, and rather than supplying the one I wanted, the dude said they were out of stock on that one and insisted a wilder one was the better choice for street/strip use.
It did make power, but wasn't very streetable. And yes, I'd described the car & combo in detail.

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