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Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s #2728066
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I have this older Blackhawk floorjack I bought back in the 80's Its a well made professional unit but developed problems so I got a kit and rebuilt it. Now it has a leak issue. The problem is there are no seals or o-rings around the cylinder - either top or bottom. When I assembled it I used some Loctite form-a-gasket but it leaked. When I took it apart this time I found the crap hadn't set up OR the hydraulic fluid reacted and dissolved it. Either way, its leaking. So I'm looking for a better product to use. I don't think silicone is going to cut it AND I hate using that crap 'cause it crumbles when you take things apart and the bits get everywhere. I'm thinking I need a sealant that will set up hard.

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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: Stanton] #2728069
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Here's the cylinder breakdown As you can see - no seals between the base (42) cylinder (31) and retaining nut (32)

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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: Stanton] #2728080
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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: kidmopar] #2728083
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Thanks for that invaluable input. This thing has lasted over 35 years. Let's see where those HF pieces of crap are in 35 years !!

By the way, you can buy complete rebuild kits for these for under $15, I think that speaks volumes.

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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: Stanton] #2728084
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call a hydraulic jack rebuilder to see what they reccomend. Those old jacks are worth the effort IMO beer

Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: Stanton] #2728109
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Originally Posted by Stanton
Here's the cylinder breakdown As you can see - no seals between the base (42) cylinder (31) and retaining nut (32)


Post the number description list. Having a hard time believing theres no wiper seal anywhere near the ram....

Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: moparjim79] #2728116
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Of course there's a seal for the ram! That isn't the issue. The issue is: there are no seals on the reservoir cylinder. None in the parts drawing, none on the parts list and none during the initial teardown.

Here's PDF of the jack: parts breakdown and parts list


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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: Stanton] #2728152
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How about Permatex number 1? Sets up hard.

Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: crowbait] #2728154
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FYI I never had much luck with the locktite sealants. Their thread locker and gel superglue kick butt though.

Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: Stanton] #2728156
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Give a call to a place called A & A Hydraulic in Cleveland, 800-992-9898. Bernie was the guy there. They are an old time Blackhawk jack service center. See if they can provide any advice.

All the old Blackhawk jacks and Porto Power equipment made during the Applied Power days (this jack) were sold to Hein Werner Corp in 1986. Hein Werner sold the jack business to Lincoln/Pentair in 1992. The trade name is now owned by Shinn-Fu America. I doubt there is a lot of OEM support, but again, you could try A & A.

Any older Blackhawk jack with a 67xxx part number was a USA jack. Anything labeled as "Banner" 65xxx or 68xxx was an import.

Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: Aero426] #2728162
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Some good info there. Thanks.

Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: Stanton] #2728164
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Post this question over on the Garage Journal forum, There are some certified jack Buddhas over there.

A guy named “Hiball” is super knowledgeable.


https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/member.php?u=34969

Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: floyd] #2728186
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I love the old made in USA floor jacks & think they are worth rebuilding/restoring every time. I have a NAPA made in USA jack from the mid-80's. Newer imported jacks - I don't trust them. The steel China uses in anything is questionable at best.


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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: Sunroofcuda] #2728188
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I had my old heiim warner rebuilt and the guy epoxied that seal area together.

Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: srt] #2728232
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Going to have a look for that Permatex #1 today.

Also posted on the Garage Journal. Wanted to PM the recommended member but as a new member I had to have made a post first so I did.

Those aluminum floor jacks are sure purty and light but I just can't bring myself to scrapping this old girl. She's heavy but internally perfect. I know I can get this leak fixed and while I may not be around for another 30 years, it will !!

Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: Stanton] #2728248
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Want it to seal up? Use The Right Stuff. Best stuff I've ever used. But it will be tough to get back apart.

https://www.amazon.com/Permatex-25228-Gasket-Maker

The very first review addresses the OP's question.


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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: DaveRS23] #2728267
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Unfortunately that link doesn't work and that's where the review would be.

Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: Stanton] #2728272
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You can get the right stuff at any auto parts store and its in with the silicone
No experience on jacks but good on engines

Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s [Re: billohio] #2728281
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I really wanted to read that review !!

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I've got an old Coats Atlas my Dad bought back in the early 70's. It's pretty rough but a good old jack. boogie

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