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Short shakedown cruise #2723321
12/11/19 06:42 PM
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I got to drive the Dart for the first time this afternoon smile Max the Meathead loves to ride in the pickup, so he figured he'd try the hot rod too.
Sticking to the dirt roads until I get the front end aligned. Now I have a whole 0.7 miles on it, but no fire, smoke or puddles up

The Contour electric fans kick on around 195-200 and drop it back to 185 quickly. About 52 this afternoon.
Steering is HEAVY with that 16:1 box, but only really noticeable when the car isn't moving. Feels like a go-kart, with no slop (everything's new).
I think I will have some decent hp even before I get the heads back from Dwayne. Just wiggle my right big toe and it spins/slides on the dirt... Max doesn't approve though. tsk
The 1.03 t-bars feel great on our dirt/gravel back roads. She's got a rumble with dual 3" even with two "turbo" mufflers and two glasspacks.

Shop appointment is on Tues. to have it aligned. Then I can try it on dry pavement and over 35 mph drive

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Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: DrCharles] #2723327
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Congrats on getting it that far, sure feels good when all your hard work is finally coming together. beer


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Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: adventurer] #2723328
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Thanks!
It only took me 22 years whistling

Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: DrCharles] #2723331
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Originally Posted by DrCharles
Thanks!
It only took me 22 years whistling

Sounds like my timetable! LOL- Congrats!

Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: kowalski440] #2723332
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Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: DrCharles] #2723343
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Originally Posted by DrCharles
I got to drive the Dart for the first time this afternoon smile Max the Meathead loves to ride in the pickup, so he figured he'd try the hot rod too.
Sticking to the dirt roads until I get the front end aligned. Now I have a whole 0.7 miles on it, but no fire, smoke or puddles up

The Contour electric fans kick on around 195-200 and drop it back to 185 quickly. About 52 this afternoon.
Steering is HEAVY with that 16:1 box, but only really noticeable when the car isn't moving. Feels like a go-kart, with no slop (everything's new).
I think I will have some decent hp even before I get the heads back from Dwayne. Just wiggle my right big toe and it spins/slides on the dirt... Max doesn't approve though. tsk
The 1.03 t-bars feel great on our dirt/gravel back roads. She's got a rumble with dual 3" even with two "turbo" mufflers and two glasspacks.

Shop appointment is on Tues. to have it aligned. Then I can try it on dry pavement and over 35 mph drive



Cool. Nice to have a cruising buddy.

Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: DrCharles] #2723817
12/13/19 06:26 PM
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Greetings from Clarkridge Arkansas. I'll have to cruise up to WP sometime so we can compare rolling stock. Enjoy the nice ozarks cruising weather!

Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: STREETSHAKER] #2724046
12/14/19 07:29 PM
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Well... this afternoon I decided to take the Dart out for more testing... checked the timing, I'd got it spot-on despite removing and reinstalling the distributor. It's leaking a little oil from the front of the pan... heard a strange whiny squeaky noise that came and went in the rear. Then the rear end locked up solid, a mile from home! eek

Just glad it was on dirt at low speed, and not on the highway. $65 later the tow truck came and deposited the car perfectly centered in my garage.
Now I have to start the autopsy... hope I didn't do something stupid like forget to put the gear oil in! Although I'm sure I did. It's a Dr. Diff chunk too, so I know there was nothing wrong with it when I put it in (and drove less than a mile yesterday). Possibly a piece of welding flash from truing/rewelding the housing ends got between the gears. We shall see. scope

After 22 years off & on construction, I got to drive it five whole miles before something blew up. fan

Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: DrCharles] #2724082
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Tonight I took off the rear wheels, drums and driveshaft. No brake problems. The skid marks on the dirt clearly showed that the left wheel locked up.

But now I can turn the yoke!
So I removed the fill plug - no oil as far as I can stick my finger in shock

I had installed a drain plug in the housing when I got it back from Moser. The inescapable conclusion (since there are no external leaks) is that I forgot to fill the damn thing up.
Haven't removed the drain plug yet, but I did have about a pint of new gear oil left over, and I put that in as a flush.
Not surprisingly, the yoke turns a lot smoother now. whistling

Tomorrow I'll remove the drain plug and see how much metal comes out. scope
What I should do is spread the axles and pull the chunk.
What I AM going to do is fill it up, spin it over, listen for ugly noises and drive it on the dirt roads some more!
Probably I'll be pulling the pig again soon, but it's not hard to take the wheels and driveshaft off again.

I can't believe I did something so stupid. flame

Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: DrCharles] #2724086
12/14/19 10:36 PM
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BTDT myself. I never drink when I am in the garage working because as I said many times, "I don't want to drive a car put together by a drunk". Nothing more aggravating that finding out the saboteur is yourself, lol.

Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: DrCharles] #2724088
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Holy crap!

How far did you drive before lockup?

I’m thinking if you got lucky....the pig started to overheat until it actually locked up due to heat before major damage damage cause lockup.

If you didnt get lucky, the ring and gear are toast due to lack of lube.

Is this a power lock sure grip?

A full detailed disassembly and inspection would be extremely interesting. I’m guessing the sure grip might have faired OK, provided you weren’t doing figure 8’s.

Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2724090
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About four miles, never got over 35 mph, nearly all in a straight line. except turning into my driveway, and making a 3-point U turn at the corner a mile away.
In fact I was going straight ahead when it locked!

As you say, holy crap. Both rear wheels seem to be turning in the same direction when I turn the pinion.
I believe it's a clutch Sure-Grip... had Cass build it for me a few years ago and never drove it until now.

Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: DrCharles] #2724092
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Well the fact that it now turns (now that its cool) is a REALLY good sign. I’m thinking (again, if you got lucky) that the unit bound up due to heat and now it at least....functions, now that it’s cool.

You really should pull the center and inspect, but you know that.

“Both wheel seem to turn in the same direction”. Ummmmm.....they kinda either do or they don’t, unless the diff is really messed up.

Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2724093
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Which was the point... open rears tend to turn the wheels in opposite directions when unloaded, so the sure-grip appears to still be holding smile

I'm going to see if I got away with it. As said, it's not hard to pull the pig if it's toast.
It's a 489 with crush sleeve eliminator. Can I take it apart and put in new bearings myself? (Never set up rear gears before).

Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: DrCharles] #2724094
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Originally Posted by DrCharles
Which was the point... open rears tend to turn the wheels in opposite directions when unloaded, so the sure-grip appears to still be holding smile

I'm going to see if I got away with it. As said, it's not hard to pull the pig if it's toast.
It's a 489 with crush sleeve eliminator. Can I take it apart and put in new bearings myself? (Never set up rear gears before).


Talk about replacing bearings is a bit premature....you may have much bigger issues (like damaged ring and pinion) or it may be fine.

But since you asked, replacing the pinion bearings is relatively easy for the small (yoke end) and not so easy for the large (gear end) and the job requires a new crush sleeve unless already installed with spacer...Cass would know since he built it. But you don’t know the extent of damage yet.

You might try to get Cass’s input on whether running this without inspection is worth a shot (good idea) or not.

Edit......I see you addressed the crush sleeve eliminator. Got it.

Does this now rotate VERY smoothly when you turn the yoke by hand?

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Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2724155
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I've been fretting about this all night... I have decided to pull the pig and go through it.

It still takes more effort than it should to turn the yoke. The bearings have to be badly damaged from being run without lubrication until they locked up!
By the time I replace the pinion bearing and the oil seal, I might as well take it out and work on the bench.
Hopefully the ring & pinion aren't worn, and the sure-grip should be OK since I was just driving straight up and down a dirt road.
Will contact Cass for advice and parts.

I don't have to make a race today... waited 22 years to be able to drive my Dart, I guess I can wait a little longer. shruggy

Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: DrCharles] #2724180
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What does the ring and pinion look like?—face of the teeth.

If you take the carrier out of the housing you will be turning the pinion ONLY....that will give you a better feel for the condition of the pinion bearings ONLY.

Conversely...if you then remove the pinion, you can place the carrier back in the housing, spin it, and get a good idea of the condition of the CARRIER bearings ONLY.

If you are going to replace the pinion bearings. the big part of that job is pulling the big bearing off the head end.

You need to talk to Cass.......his knowledge will guide you.

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Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2724184
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I plan to call him tomorrow. (Will need to order the bearing/seal kit anyway).

Thanks for the hints. If I have it apart, for $85 I might as well replace all three bearings since they were all run dry and at least one is trash already. Then I don't have to worry about carefully pulling what's left of the pinion bearing, since I can just split it, heat it, etc. weld hammer

It's cold and rainy today, and I don't feel like lying on a concrete floor under the car right now to pull the chunk. And I'm still just disgusted with the situation. Of all the things I expected trouble with, this was not one of them!

Re: Short shakedown cruise [Re: DrCharles] #2724203
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I don't think a couple of miles with no lube would lock things up? I am curious what you will find when you pull the center section.


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Myself, I would go through the entire center section. New gears, bearings, clutches etc. I would also inspect the entire housing for any residual metal. May also require new axle bearings as well. You'll know more once it's apart. Sorry for the bad luck frown

I keep bright green tape on hand to remind us that something needs attention. Example: Attach it to things like the fill plug, radiator cap, dipstick etc. In addition sometimes even a note in the same tape on the windshield.directly in front of the drivers line of sight.

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