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Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: fast68plymouth] #2722598
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Man they that stinks. I didn’t like the look of the shine I could see in that one picture. Did you have to crank this engine long on first start up and did you preprime the oiling system before trying to start it?


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9.73@135.05 mph shifting at 6700 RPM
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

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Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: stinger] #2722619
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Originally Posted by stinger
#6 exhaust lifter face is slightly concave but no marks on it.

That's like you girlfriend being slightly pregnant...Cam and lifter time...I didnt see what your cam break in process was but its important to break in the cam properly.


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Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: W.I.N. racing] #2722626
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Sorry miss typed. # exhaust

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Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: stinger] #2722629
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Stupid phone. #5 exhaust. Cam is Comp nostalgia.509 and comp lifters

Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: stinger] #2722630
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Car is a 70 barracuda 727 with a 3000 stahl. 3:91. 440 40 over diamond pistons. 10.3-1. Quench is 38. Eddy rpms headers 21/2” magnaflow exhaust rpm intake and 950 carb

Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: stinger] #2722717
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It doesn’t sound like it had much run time on the motor.
If so, and looking at the lifter, I’d say it started to fail right off the bat.

The cam is a decent match for the combo, other than perhaps if the converter really only flashed to 3000, it would be a little lower than what I’d consider optimum for a cam that size.

FWIW, for the last several years I’ve used Driven “BR” break in oil exclusively.


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Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: fast68plymouth] #2722734
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in my opinion this is the perfect time to step away from the hydraulic tappet. the solid tappet will perform better thru out the whole rpm band. if that type of lobe profile is desired I think i'd try the 294s with the 924 springs. even if the hydraulic tappet is a "must" the 924 springs can be used. just take the inner spring out for break in.

Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: lewtot184] #2722742
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Yeah Ill have some time to consider a better option while Ill be tearing this thing back apart

Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: stinger] #2722827
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When you put it back together make sure all the lifters are rotating when you turn it over. The push rods should spin like they are all gear driven off the same shaft.

Kevin

Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: Twostick] #2722838
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I just used a sharpie on the lifter and edge of the bore.

Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: fast68plymouth] #2722858
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Strongly consider skipping all the flat tappet drama and just put a roller, solid or hydraulic, in it. No BS about using this oil, or that oil, starting it on the full moon, cranking it for 5 minutes while patting your belly and rubbing the Buddha or any other snake oil silliness. S/F....Ken M

Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: EchoSixMike] #2722861
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Ya go with a roller cam because nothing ever goes wrong with them. Approximately fifty 6.50-6.60’s runs on a new set of Comp roller lifters before the link bar broke on my sons 360 trashing the whole engine.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
6.143@110.85 mph
9.73@135.05 mph shifting at 6700 RPM
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: pittsburghracer] #2722870
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Ya go with a roller cam because nothing ever goes wrong with them. Approximately fifty 6.50-6.60’s runs on a new set of Comp roller lifters before the link bar broke on my sons 360 trashing the whole engine.


You're comparing 50 passes with not even making it past the break in? Are you for real? S/F...Ken M

Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: stinger] #2722910
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If the op has a lathe, or a friend that has one........ put the cam in it and indicate across the base circle of the lobes from front to rear.
There should be roughly .0015-.0020 taper on the lobe.

If the taper is good, there should have been good lifter rotation.

The cam I posted a pic of with the lobe gone had .0020 taper...... and it was nitrided...... and was using EDM lifters.
Owner was running regular SM rated oil, no additive.
It was also ground using .904 lobes.
The one lobe was gone, another one was pretty bad, two others were starting to fail.
That had one summer of use.

Replaced cam with something a little smoother, non-.904 lobes, ran it with inner springs removed for a longer period of time........ and continued to use Driven oil after break in.
It also was nitrided, and is using EDM lifters.
It lasted this past summer and seems to be surviving.


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Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: EchoSixMike] #2722915
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Originally Posted by EchoSixMike
Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Ya go with a roller cam because nothing ever goes wrong with them. Approximately fifty 6.50-6.60’s runs on a new set of Comp roller lifters before the link bar broke on my sons 360 trashing the whole engine.


You're comparing 50 passes with not even making it past the break in? Are you for real? S/F...Ken M





Ya I’m for real because I know and have seen the most cam failures happen because of the oil used, the builder missing something during the build, or improper start up. Most are to lazy to pull the inner springs or can’t set the timing close enough to get it up and running without cranking the hell out of it. Some don’t even start out with a fully charged battery. Some start with two year old fuel. Lots of reasons to blame the cam. Lol.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
6.143@110.85 mph
9.73@135.05 mph shifting at 6700 RPM
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: pittsburghracer] #2722925
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I've got 20,000+ miles on a solid lifter cam; 15 years of use. no stupid lobes and excessive spring pressure. haven't had the valve covers off in 3 years and probably won't take them off to set lash (lash is a non issue) or peak unless there's a leak or something breaks. it's not a race car but I drive it everywhere in the summer. power is adequate, reliability has been very good. I just use rotella oil, change it fairly often, hate wix filters. if it goes south tomorrow I figure I've gotten my $250 worth.

Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: lewtot184] #2722951
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Question for you Fast- are CC hi-energy cams ground for .904” lifters?

How about other manufacturers - what are they ground for?

Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: lewtot184] #2722958
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what don't you like about wix filters ?
what do you use ?
beer

Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: stinger] #2722962
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Were any of the lifters hydro locked?


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Re: issues with fresh 440 [Re: moparx] #2722983
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drain back. dry starts. their just internet hype; monkey see/monkey do.

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