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Re: Cam question Lopo 440 [Re: Garry Owen] #2720764
12/01/19 08:26 PM
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The problem I ran into when I was using stock pistons and also the l266f's with a decent size cam, is the lack of valve reliefs. When I was working to get the compression up with milled down the heads and used a steel shim gasket, I had no piston to valve clearance with a moderate sized cam. Its been years since I built those motors but as I remember I had to walk back the cam and use a felpro gasket to get suggested PTVC, which lowered my compression again.

Re: Cam question Lopo 440 [Re: Uberpube] #2720846
12/02/19 10:36 AM
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It’s hard for me to imagine there being any kind of PV clearance issues running a 221@.050/112lsa cam in a 440 with pistons down the hole .140.

I did it with a stock 68 short block(pistons down the hole .055), 346 heads that had been milled a bit and steel shim gaskets


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Re: Cam question Lopo 440 [Re: Garry Owen] #2720920
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The 74 thru 78 440 pistons are .160 below deck. I have 2 late 440's and they both measure the same.

Re: Cam question Lopo 440 [Re: fast68plymouth] #2720956
12/02/19 05:38 PM
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I ran a 221° cam in a 440 with the piston 0.050" below the deck and a shim gasket. Intake valve clearance was like 0.23" and couldn't even find the exhaust valve. Some would run the 509 cam with the 0.050" in the hole piston.

Re: Cam question Lopo 440 [Re: elmor353] #2720957
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Right. I suspect that the OP will find either 0.160" or 0.085" below the deck.

If it's an touched original 77, likely 0.16" below

Re: Cam question Lopo 440 [Re: Garry Owen] #2721006
12/02/19 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mopararmy
Originally Posted by fast68plymouth


If your headers are angle plug friendly, and it’s in the budget..... the 75cc E Streets make a lot of sense.

Crower 271HDP cam

11” converter


Looks like I might get the e-streets and the thinnest gasket. I haven’t pulled the heads and measured deck height but I used .140 and hoping it’s better than that. 8.8:1 is what I got in a calculator based off 75cc head, .027 gasket, and .140 in the hole piston.
I forgot to mention I have power brakes so I think that rules out the whiplash from what I’ve read. Also, 91 is the highest octane anywhere close. I still would rather not change out the converter and gears.


An electric vacuum pump solves your power brake issue.

Kevin

Re: Cam question Lopo 440 [Re: Twostick] #2721024
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Originally Posted by Twostick
Originally Posted by mopararmy
Originally Posted by fast68plymouth


If your headers are angle plug friendly, and it’s in the budget..... the 75cc E Streets make a lot of sense.

Crower 271HDP cam

11” converter


Looks like I might get the e-streets and the thinnest gasket. I haven’t pulled the heads and measured deck height but I used .140 and hoping it’s better than that. 8.8:1 is what I got in a calculator based off 75cc head, .027 gasket, and .140 in the hole piston.
I forgot to mention I have power brakes so I think that rules out the whiplash from what I’ve read. Also, 91 is the highest octane anywhere close. I still would rather not change out the converter and gears.


An electric vacuum pump solves your power brake issue.

Kevin


True.
There’s a guy pretty local to me that knows his stuff. I’ll see what he thinks on some of the cams mentioned here. If it’s a cam that needs degreed then he would be the one to install it anyways. I don’t have the tools for it.

Re: Cam question Lopo 440 [Re: Garry Owen] #2721293
12/04/19 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mopararmy
Originally Posted by Twostick
Originally Posted by mopararmy
Originally Posted by fast68plymouth


If your headers are angle plug friendly, and it’s in the budget..... the 75cc E Streets make a lot of sense.

Crower 271HDP cam

11” converter


Looks like I might get the e-streets and the thinnest gasket. I haven’t pulled the heads and measured deck height but I used .140 and hoping it’s better than that. 8.8:1 is what I got in a calculator based off 75cc head, .027 gasket, and .140 in the hole piston.
I forgot to mention I have power brakes so I think that rules out the whiplash from what I’ve read. Also, 91 is the highest octane anywhere close. I still would rather not change out the converter and gears.


An electric vacuum pump solves your power brake issue.

Kevin


True.
There’s a guy pretty local to me that knows his stuff. I’ll see what he thinks on some of the cams mentioned here. If it’s a cam that needs degreed then he would be the one to install it anyways. I don’t have the tools for it.


ALL cams need to be degreed. Too many valve timing critical manufacturing steps that can be messed up that can't be seen without accurate measurements.

Kevin

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