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Re: should Steve Torrence be crown champion [Re: 540DUSTER] #2718966
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Originally Posted by 540DUSTER
Alot of the races this year,The stands were half filled.They try to hide it on TV


and up on the BIG END even more empty than that !

Re: should Steve Torrence be crown champion [Re: mopacltd] #2718968
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BTW .... other than being sponsored by them
... what relationship does ST have with CAPCO ?

Re: should Steve Torrence be crown champion [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #2718997
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Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
BTW .... other than being sponsored by them
... what relationship does ST have with CAPCO ?


Its the family business...........


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Re: should Steve Torrence be crown champion [Re: markz528] #2719067
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Originally Posted by markz528
Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
BTW .... other than being sponsored by them
... what relationship does ST have with CAPCO ?


Its the family business...........

I have a friend who is medically retired, injured on the job badly, union Pipe fitter, welder, he doesn't like any of the family that owns and operates Capco due to them being the biggest non union pipe laying company in this country work shruggy


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Re: should Steve Torrence be crown champion [Re: Cab_Burge] #2719147
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Good for CAPCO. Unions are outdated and corrupt!

Re: should Steve Torrence be crown champion [Re: mopacltd] #2719160
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Originally Posted by mopacltd
Good for CAPCO. Unions are outdated and corrupt!
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As a former Union member in CA back you had to join in a closed shop and later as a member in a open shop where I became a union steward and then on the E board I will tell you that all Union are not good or bad, it depends on the Union and the Company.
I was promoted into first level management in 1980 and I had to sit in on more than one union grievance meetings sitting on the other side of the table, in the end I learned form both sides of the business on people and problem solving.
Many unions became corrupt after WW2, hence the work force here in the U.S. moving away from them, they sank them selves do to corruption, politics and graft whiney
This country work force benefited a bunch early on in the 1920 and 1930 when the workforce was switching away form farming and going into the larger cities into manufacturing jobs in large industrial sweat shops that where dangerous to work in and paid very little back then twocents scope EDITED: It was the labor unions who made working in those type jobs safer and better for the employees bow Many federal labor laws also help make the USA a great place to live and work in up
Once some of the union members where promoted beyond their abilities in union management and started stealing, lying and cheating with the union members retirement and union dues the whole concept of the union helping make the members life better went into the toilet rant
Union member ship was at its peak in the late 1950 or the early 1960 at about 23% of the American workforce, this was before any government agency where allowed to become a union.
The last statistics I remember reading on current union membership here in America in 2010 was right at 7.5%, which 75% of them where some sort government employees, State, County, Federal, city, fire fighters law enforcement and school teachers and many other agencies which our tax dollar pay their wages work
I saw a IBEW Union business agent steal a lot of money from the last local I belong to, I got involved in that local and starting showing other stewards and members what he and his wife where doing by inflating the monthly union hall operating costs instead keeping it honest puke He ended up changing his ways before he was charge for embezzlement and theft rant He seemed to think that because he had started that local in 1948 or 1949 and he had been the only B.A. in that local that it was his union, not the members. Two or three phone calls to the International union help change his mind about his ways of operating it from then on devil
In the end the unions management greed and corruption kill them in the private work force except for a few large industries like auto makers, some mining, some large trucking companies, some public utilizes companies and some other industries I can't think of right now down work

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Re: should Steve Torrence be crown champion [Re: Cab_Burge] #2719168
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I should stay out of this.....But I was a union member in a dairy production plant. I saw a cartoon that I thought was very funny but the business agent did not. It showed 5 guys leaning on shovels and 1 guy working. The caption read...Unions...Promoting organized laziness since the 1930s! Good grief that was a funny one! laugh2

Re: should Steve Torrence be crown champion [Re: tboomer] #2719172
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So ST is one of the main people in CAPCO ?

I’m surprised no one else has mentioned what CAPCO is most famous for !!

OTHER THAN they are the primary contractor in the Canadian USA pipeline

Re: should Steve Torrence be crown champion [Re: mopacltd] #2719184
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Originally Posted by mopacltd
Good for CAPCO. Unions are outdated and corrupt!
If you get a paid vacation, paid sick leave and/or paid holidays you can thank unions.

Re: should Steve Torrence be crown champion [Re: BobR] #2719209
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Originally Posted by BobR
Originally Posted by mopacltd
Good for CAPCO. Unions are outdated and corrupt!
If you get a paid vacation, paid sick leave and/or paid holidays you can thank unions.


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My brother in law worked as a machist at Oberg in Pa and hated unions even though he went to college to be a teacher. Me being a union Millwright in a steel mill. He soon realized that when we got a negotiated raise his soon followed so their workers didn’t leave. He started loving unions more after that sank in


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Re: should Steve Torrence be crown champion [Re: pittsburghracer] #2719225
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I've never worked in a union shop that didn't deserve one.

It also annoyed me to watch the 5 guys watch while one guy does mentality that some (I said SOME! lol) of the rank and file subscribe to and that the company has no reasonable remedy to prune the deadwood.

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Re: should Steve Torrence be crown champion [Re: Twostick] #2719261
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This 5 guy .. 1 guy thing ? .... wanna see a perfect example of this EVERY DAY?

Go to any federal or state road construction site and watch it for an hour or so !

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Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
This 5 guy .. 1 guy thing ? .... wanna see a perfect example of this EVERY DAY?

Go to any federal or state road construction site and watch it for an hour or so !


What is yellow and sleeps 4? A Dept of Highways crewcab.

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Re: should Steve Torrence be crown champion [Re: BobR] #2719336
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Originally Posted by BobR
Originally Posted by mopacltd
Good for CAPCO. Unions are outdated and corrupt!
If you get a paid vacation, paid sick leave and/or paid holidays you can thank unions.


Absolutely! If you have insurance or a pension through work, thank a union.

Re: should Steve Torrence be crown champion [Re: justinp61] #2719351
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Back on topic.

To bad it wasn't someone the size of Matt Hagen that Torrence slapped like that. I'd pay to see what happened next.


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Re: should Steve Torrence be crown champion [Re: theraif] #2719457
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Lol!! laugh2 bow


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Re: should Steve Torrence be crown champion [Re: tboomer] #2719554
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Don't laugh t .... they did a merging diamond intersection here that was a MASSIVE boondoggle !

Ooooops ....diverging diamond .... NINETY MILLION DOLLARS !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24jMVZszPTY

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Whether you think ST should champion or not, he is. Of course he is going to be treated differently than some little Stocker guy pulling the same stunt. Is it right? Doesn't matter. It is what it is.

And I always thought the highest paid, best benefits, blue collar guys in the area closing a plant, going on strike, and walking a picket line with "UNFAIR" signs, looked like a bunch of friggin' idiots.

I've worked in a union plant, and as often happens, the union tried to be the bully and run the place and make sure everyone knew it. Place closed down the facility and moved the work south. Nice work, clowns.


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