Alright, thanks Dwayne.

Ok, dropped heads off at Total Flow. Talked to steve awhile and he's a great guy, real nice. I could not get a price from him, so my gut tells me I cant afford him. He doesn't want to shave them, wants me to buy new pistons. Not going that route. I have plenty of shops just down the road that will gladly shave them. He looked at the chambers and said, looks like they all burning the same. Didn't see anything wrong with the head but the large intake bowl and the exhaust port. He said he would try 1 exhaust port massage and flow it, if it helps he will do the rest, if not no big deal and leave the rest alone. There was some massaging between were the intake bowl ends and the seat starts that could use some smoothing. My gut tells me what he wants to do will not make any improvements in my ET, but what do I know. He's the pro at this stuff, so I will see what he gets before I spend too much coin there. Waiting for his phone call. I think best bang for buck is to shave them and bolt back on. I told him what Wilson said about adjusting the intake for faults in the head and he agreed. Said Wilsons is very good at what they do. So, i'm not getting a warm fuzzy feeling as right now.

As I said earlier....... you’ll never be happy with them.

Just find them a new owner and move on to something else.

I agree with the notion that messing with the ex ports won’t yield any ET.

No comments on the valve job?

I think your right Dwayne. He didn't make a big deal about the valve job, but he didn't seemed surprised by anything. As soon as he started looking in the ports and wanting to make a small change here and there, I knew we were going down the wrong avenue, but how does a hobbiest guy like me tell a professional cylinder head guy he's wrong? I'm gonna let him clean them up and get a better peak at them first. Just waiting for that phone call. My gut is telling me i'm gonna end up spending all my money on something that does nothing. He is not interested in milling them either and that's all I think they need.

I already told you how to "fix" them and yes it involves milling. When I port them the intake port size falls between MW and Standard 440--its closer to Standard 440 just wider, not whole lot taller. J.Rob

So, what would something like you propose cost, and how much additional power could be expected?

Would other parts require modification and/or replacement to make use of the head mods?

Yeah, I told him what you said about how to fix them and he said it would cost more than $5000 to do all that work. I'm not looking to make 800hp or more, so my thinking was a good valve job and flat mill them .045 and call it a day. Wouldn't be much cost and should push my 511 combo near 700hp. I would be happy with that. He doesn't even want to mill them and to me that's the best bang for the buck.

picking up a LITTLE compression & a different valve job is not going to get you 150hp more,,,Just Sayin

I agree with you 100%, but I do think its a step in the right direction. I think the cam is not bad, but a tad on the large side for my compression and I think it will welcome the higher compression with open arms as well as the large ports in the heads and intake if I run the Indy.

Heads are back and all cleaned up. Here's a few pics of the exhaust port. Think the short turn needs any work?

What ever media he used to clean with looks a bit aggressive as I see a lot of pits in the aluminum. I first thought I may have had some detonation as the chambers are pitted as well.

Can't comment on the exhaust short turn without pictures showing the port without the valve.

Not sure what was used to clean up the chambers, etc., but it looks like it almost sand-blasted the CNC machining marks away.

What work was done to the heads?

Cleaned up, guides checked, springs checked, new seals machined .045" off deck, .054" off intake side, no valve job. $800.

What type of head gasket do you use? The deck surface as it looks in the pics doesn't appear to be smooth enough for MLS now, but I could be mistaken.

MLS. I do have a pair of SCE composites I could use. Gonna get some prep and painting done today and start getting this thing back together tomorrow. I have some cc measuring to do as well.

I managed to get a few things done in the garage today and can start getting it back together tomorrow. Some pics of the exhaust port and the valve job Dwayne asked about.

VJ pics

The machined surface looks quite smooth. almost polished.

Thanks for posting the vj pics.
Doesn’t look like I did it.

I wouldn’t have left the bottom angle quite that long, and it “looks” like the transition from the bottom angle into the bowl is fairly abrupt.
I would have added another angle there.

The way the radius on the ex seat ends also looks like some flow has been left on the table....... not much, but something.

Looking at it closer...... and keep in mind I’m looking at it on my phone...... the bottom angle looks like it might actually be shallower that 60*.

I agree on this , also asking Dwayne's opinion, I see no back cut on the intake valve ? I always like to run one up to the lap line.