Re: BB Mopar and Procharger questions
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Re: BB Mopar and Procharger questions
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At this point I don't mess w/anything but gas and several E-85 guys have had me convert back to gas but many have good luck with it as well. I got your message last night but was busy and we will talk soon............Apparently there are lots of good builders doing what you need as far as carbs but maybe by the time you r ready I can help and I have plenty of alcohol and E-85 tunes just no desire yet...........
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Re: BB Mopar and Procharger questions
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A little bit off topic, but do you think an F1R will make 18psi on a 470? I know boost numbers have a bunch of factors involved but if you have decent flowing heads and intake, 18psi is going to be probably 1100-1200 hp. I've raced several different model Prochargers, including an F1R, for a few years now so if it were me- I'd run copper head gaskets with SS o-rings. Also, get a custom cam - I'd call Bullet and give them every detail. Good choice going with a gear drive. Edit --Nevermind - you didn't actually say SCS geardrive.
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Re: BB Mopar and Procharger questions
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I ran copper/ orings with mine. Street/ strip. No issues with leaks from coolant or combustion. Always used small portions of “Hondabond” on coolant passages.
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Re: BB Mopar and Procharger questions
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A little bit off topic, but do you think an F1R will make 18psi on a 470? I know boost numbers have a bunch of factors involved but if you have decent flowing heads and intake, 18psi is going to be probably 1100-1200 hp. I've raced several different model Prochargers, including an F1R, for a few years now so if it were me- I'd run copper head gaskets with SS o-rings. Also, get a custom cam - I'd call Bullet and give them every detail. Good choice going with a gear drive. Edit --Nevermind - you didn't actually say SCS geardrive. I am not sure if an F1R can get to 18psi on 470 cubes....I can tell you the heads I am going to use only flow 325cfm and are on my current 400/512 making +700.....That engine needs better heads anyways, so I am going to use the EZ1's I have on this build. The plan is to start at 10psi with a side slinger procharger and spin it up and see where the power band lands. My goal is +1000hp or under 5.50 in the 1/8th, which I think it will do at 10psi....Later, I want to go to the gear drive, and set the engine back to fit it with the radiator. Move the firewall and probably redo the cage.
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Re: BB Mopar and Procharger questions
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I had small port stage 6 heads on my 470 that flowed 308 cfm. With pt72 turbos the car would go 9.1s with my minimum boost settings of 5-8psi. Turn up the boost, go faster. Always ran the car on pump gas (we have e-10 93 octane here) Car was 3900lbs with me in it.
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Re: BB Mopar and Procharger questions
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I am not sure if an F1R can get to 18psi on 470 cubes....I can tell you the heads I am going to use only flow 325cfm and are on my current 400/512 making +700.....That engine needs better heads anyways, so I am going to use the EZ1's I have on this build. The plan is to start at 10psi with a side slinger procharger and spin it up and see where the power band lands. My goal is +1000hp or under 5.50 in the 1/8th, which I think it will do at 10psi....Later, I want to go to the gear drive, and set the engine back to fit it with the radiator. Move the firewall and probably redo the cage. If everything behaves you should have no trouble meeting your goal. The challenges are really nothing new - getting the chassis to hook the power, getting the tune/carburetor dialed in and probably getting the converter where it needs to be. That F1R is a rock solid, reliable head unit. I spun my F1R to max rated RPM (72,000?) on a small block, through an intercooler and it made about 20-21 psi.
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Re: BB Mopar and Procharger questions
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So based on what I know, 470 cube 400, 9:1 compression JE pistons, E85 fuel, and Cometic head gaskets. No intercooler or water/ meth.....EZ1 heads, steel rods, Thumper carb, billet main caps.....F1R....
What nobody has mentioned, is there are no blower cars in bracket races......Hmmmmm
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Re: BB Mopar and Procharger questions
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So based on what I know, 470 cube 400, 9:1 compression JE pistons, E85 fuel, and Cometic head gaskets. No intercooler or water/ meth.....EZ1 heads, steel rods, Thumper carb, billet main caps.....F1R....
What nobody has mentioned, is there are no blower cars in bracket races......Hmmmmm Maybe their is a reason for that As far as the rest of the choices they sound good to me, sneak up slowly on the boost and timing and have fun learning
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Re: BB Mopar and Procharger questions
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And why I asked the question about bracket racing w/a power adder...........
72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
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Re: BB Mopar and Procharger questions
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so far my hemi has been at 21 lbs of boost with cometics and oliver rods and diamond pistons , every pound of boost is around 30 to 45 hp depending on the combo , im at 9.5 to one comp on c-16 fuel now to keep it safe i do not have a intercooler that will be a winter project , my 4000 lb car on street tires though the exhaust has been 130mph in the 1/8 and 160mph in the 1/4 on a base tune that made 1381 hp on the dyno at 18.9 lbs of boost , so far the water /meth injection does nothing !!! my air inlet temps are at 255 degrees !!! oh ya its fuel injected with 160 lb injectors and a fast xfi best thing ive done so far !!! and oh just for shits and giggles try to get some one to make a torque convertor for ya !! when i said 1400hp and a torqueflite they said we dont make one !!! and i called all the major co they said you will break your trans !!!! im testing that theory now
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Re: BB Mopar and Procharger questions
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so far my hemi has been at 21 lbs of boost with cometics and oliver rods and diamond pistons , every pound of boost is around 30 to 45 hp depending on the combo , im at 9.5 to one comp on c-16 fuel now to keep it safe i do not have a intercooler that will be a winter project , my 4000 lb car on street tires though the exhaust has been 130mph in the 1/8 and 160mph in the 1/4 on a base tune that made 1381 hp on the dyno at 18.9 lbs of boost , so far the water /meth injection does nothing !!! my air inlet temps are at 255 degrees !!! oh ya its fuel injected with 160 lb injectors and a fast xfi best thing ive done so far !!! and oh just for shits and giggles try to get some one to make a torque convertor for ya !! when i said 1400hp and a torqueflite they said we dont make one !!! and i called all the major co they said you will break your trans !!!! im testing that theory now Awesome.....Any advice on my 470 build? Looks like all I need to hit 1000hp is 12psi......Cometic surprisingly said the same thing, I should be good till right around 20psi with no o-rings or anything else. Someone suggested E85 for mine, and I hadn't even thought of it at the time, but the more I thought about it, the more that made a lot of sense for me. Just trying to figure out the best static compression now. I know the A&A trans parts work well. To what HP level, I have no idea, but we have upgraded a number of things with their parts, and have had only one issue and it was with the TA VB....It wasn't set to high enough pressure.
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Re: BB Mopar and Procharger questions
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so far my hemi has been at 21 lbs of boost with cometics and oliver rods and diamond pistons , every pound of boost is around 30 to 45 hp depending on the combo , im at 9.5 to one comp on c-16 fuel now to keep it safe i do not have a intercooler that will be a winter project , my 4000 lb car on street tires though the exhaust has been 130mph in the 1/8 and 160mph in the 1/4 on a base tune that made 1381 hp on the dyno at 18.9 lbs of boost , so far the water /meth injection does nothing !!! my air inlet temps are at 255 degrees !!! oh ya its fuel injected with 160 lb injectors and a fast xfi best thing ive done so far !!! and oh just for shits and giggles try to get some one to make a torque convertor for ya !! when i said 1400hp and a torqueflite they said we dont make one !!! and i called all the major co they said you will break your trans !!!! im testing that theory now Awesome.....Any advice on my 470 build? Looks like all I need to hit 1000hp is 12psi......Cometic surprisingly said the same thing, I should be good till right around 20psi with no o-rings or anything else. Someone suggested E85 for mine, and I hadn't even thought of it at the time, but the more I thought about it, the more that made a lot of sense for me. Just trying to figure out the best static compression now. I know the A&A trans parts work well. To what HP level, I have no idea, but we have upgraded a number of things with their parts, and have had only one issue and it was with the TA VB....It wasn't set to high enough pressure. E85 will eliminate the need for an intercooler at least to a point. As far as CR goes I think the conventional wisdom with boosted engines is the bigger the volume above the piston is, the more fuel and air you can pack into it so less CR technically could have more power potential. I think it comes down to how much bottom end torque can it make NA before the boost comes on and is it enough to get the engine through that transition and up on the converter. Kevin
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Re: BB Mopar and Procharger questions
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As far as bracket racing a Pro charged car, there are 3 or 4 of them at my home track. The one gal won season championship with hers running 6.20’s at 6000 ft DA. She is damm good on the tree, the car is consistent and reliable. No turbo cars and the Roots style guys can’t seem to keep them together or consistent. Just my observation. Jim
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