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Re: Floor pan sound deadener. [Re: jcc] #2714635
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FYI https://lizardskin.com/ Spray on sound deadener

Re: Floor pan sound deadener. [Re: RalleyA12] #2716257
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Eastwood X mat is $80 for 19.7 sq. ft.
Fatmat rattle trap is $100for 36 sq. ft.
Noico is $68 for 36 sq. ft.
I found a product Kilmat. $58 for 36 sg. ft.
All are comparable thickness (80 mil)

Noico has a good report from Gene here, that’s what I’m going with.

NOW......Any tips or tricks or just regular advice on installation?

Thanks again everyone!

Re: Floor pan sound deadener. [Re: wkroncke17] #2716318
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Originally Posted by wkroncke17



NOW......Any tips or tricks or just regular advice on installation?

Thanks again everyone!


Trim it close to how / where you need it before removing the paper backing. Because once it sticks to the metal it doesn't like to be pulled back off . Don't ask me how I know

Re: Floor pan sound deadener. [Re: gtx6970] #2716325
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Originally Posted by gtx6970
Originally Posted by wkroncke17



NOW......Any tips or tricks or just regular advice on installation?

Thanks again everyone!


Trim it close to how / where you need it before removing the paper backing. Because once it sticks to the metal it doesn't like to be pulled back off . Don't ask me how I know


Good advice. Thank you. Must be a very strong adhesive backing, which is good!
I see in some pics guys using a roller to lay it down, does that work good?
Should all of the seems be taped?

Re: Floor pan sound deadener. [Re: wkroncke17] #2716446
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The roller works great in wide open areas, but when things get a bit tight, the roller is a pita. The NOICO has an embossed raised pattern on the outside. Once in position, you are suppose to smooth out the embossed pattern until its smooth. The roller they sell works well, but it isn't smooth, so when your done, it isn't really smooth, but its easy to see what has been pressed into place. Pressing it into place is what makes it really stick. Once stuck and rolled tight, it requires a huge effort to move or remove it.

I made cardboard (think beverage containers) templates for nearly all the areas that required close fits, then transferred the templates onto the NOICO. If you split the vehicle into right and left sides, often the patterns will match up well by flipping them over. Be sure you have the pattern oriented with the correct side up for the side you are working on when you transfer the pattern to the NOICO (don't ask me how I know). You can cut the stuff with a utility knife and use a straight edge for straight cuts, or free hand for curves (takes some practice).

The NOICO can be repositioned after its lightly stuck in place, but it has to be lightly stuck at first. Once you know its in the proper location, you press it in tight then roll it on. In places its hard to roll, I've used the round end of a file handle to smooth it out. It does conform to curved areas very well. If in the process you should happen to have a fold in the material, you can cut through the outer backing (with a utility knife) and press it back over itself gently so you don't get the sticky stuff all over the outer backing.

It is suggested you wear nitrate gloves. The foil backing can have sharp edges once is cut, and you really don't want to get the sticky backing on your hands, I bought a box of 100 at HB for $5.99. I used several pairs of the gloves in installing (2) 36sq ft boxes. You can cut the stuff with a utility knife and a straight edge.

You want to be sure the metal you are sticking the NOICO to is clean and debris clean. I hit the underside of my 39 Truck cab with 80 grit on a DA, then wiped it down with a degreaser, and let that dry. Its much easier to deal with if your working in 60+ degree temps. It took me about 2 days to install the first box of 36 sq ft, the fitting takes longer then I thought it would.

One more thing, the NOICO comes with a silver backing (without advertising) and in black (also without advertising) for a couple bucks more for the 36 sq ft. They sell a roller with a wood handle and a steel drum that is pretty well made for another $10. I never tapped my edges, but I can see where it might be helpful. Gene

Re: Floor pan sound deadener. [Re: poorboy] #2716647
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how much does the NOICO weigh ?
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Re: Floor pan sound deadener. [Re: moparx] #2716969
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A lot less then a ton?! grin fan

2 things,
1) I don't build stuff with much concern about what it might weigh.
2) I'm not so good at guessing how much something weighs.

That said, I'd guess the 36 sq ft package is somewhere near 30 lbs. If I remember tomorrow, I will look to see if there is a weight stamp on the Amazon sticker on the box I still have here. Gene

Re: Floor pan sound deadener. [Re: poorboy] #2716971
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Or put it on a bathroom scale

Re: Floor pan sound deadener. [Re: moparx] #2716995
11/18/19 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by moparx
how much does the NOICO weigh ?
beer


It is on track to be delivered tomorrow.
I’ll post what it says on the shipping label.

So if it’s that heavy, I might have to go on a diet????
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Re: Floor pan sound deadener. [Re: poorboy] #2717040
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How do you handle seams between sheets? It looks like each Noico sheet is 29x20. Do you just butt the sheets together and tape over the seams?

Re: Floor pan sound deadener. [Re: mrob] #2717076
11/18/19 10:23 AM
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I am in this same boat so I am tuned in... Thanks for the price comparison chart...

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Re: Floor pan sound deadener. [Re: Cuda340] #2717255
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The box I have here only has about 25% of the original content left, and there were no shipping weights listed, but as I thought about it, there was probably an outer box and it is long gone.
As far as the seams between sheets, I just over lapped the edge of the 1st sheet with the 2nd sheet by about 1/4" and rolled it down tight.

The NOICO is a product of the USSR. There is an American equivalent, but its real hard to get, often out of stock, and a lot more expensive. I tried several times to buy the USA product, but it was always back ordered, then wouldn't show up on line for a month or two, then within a week it was back ordered again. One would think if it sold out that fast, someone would up the production to sell more, but this has been going on for more then a year. The stuff from Russia is good stuff, and easily available. Gene

Re: Floor pan sound deadener. [Re: poorboy] #2717725
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The box of Noico is 20 pounds.
I don’t think I’m going to worry about the little extra weight.
What you guys think?

This has all been a great discussion and learning experience for me.
Thanks all!

Re: Floor pan sound deadener. [Re: wkroncke17] #2717741
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I used the lighter weight Dynamat on the front floors and tunnel, and the carpet kit already has the 1/2" jute glued to the carpet. I then used the Dyna mat under the rear seat, and 1/2" thick Boom Mat over it, glued with 3M Spray contact cement.

It is very quiet, and deduces the heat from the mufflers.

my 2 cents...

Mark

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1. The greater weight of a material in this application rule of thumb indicates greater sound dampening, especially at lower frequencies, which means to me, heavier is better.
2. Any weight you are adding is almost at the lowest point of the car, and near the center, almost the most ideal place if one had to add weight
3. Sealing the seams is a "feel good" endeavor, there is nearly zero air movement to be concerned with, and the only sound one might be trapping by sealing is above the hearing range of maybe all but three people on this forum, and might have a downside, in that IF any water gets under the materiel, it will never escape without damaging the metal first, if tightly sealed


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All good and valid points.


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as long as you look good doing it!

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Re: Floor pan sound deadener. [Re: BloFish] #2719100
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Originally Posted by BloFish
All good and valid points.


Certainly are all excellent points.
This has all been very good info for me, and I hope others.
I'll update as the process starts now that I have the material.
It will be a slow process of course as I had a hip replacement 4 weeks ago.
Slow and steady wins the race.
Thanks All!!

Wally.

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A bit late to the post but, I have several customers with cars they have bought with insualtion that "DRIPS" through seams/ small openings etc in summertime temps even while just sitting in their garage.
We actually raised the carpet on a few to investigate removing the substance.The customers decided to live with the problem due to the anticipated removal cost. I can tell you it is foil backed on the top with some sort of black goo (tar?) on the bottom. I'm not sure what was used but I suspect it may have been something from the local home depot or a cheap substitute for the better known brands. With that being said, proceed with caution, cheap can sometimes cost more in the long run twocents beer

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Originally Posted by TJP
A bit late to the post but, I have several customers with cars they have bought with insualtion that "DRIPS" through seams/ small openings etc in summertime temps even while just sitting in their garage.
We actually raised the carpet on a few to investigate removing the substance.The customers decided to live with the problem due to the anticipated removal cost. I can tell you it is foil backed on the top with some sort of black goo (tar?) on the bottom. I'm not sure what was used but I suspect it may have been something from the local home depot or a cheap substitute for the better known brands. With that being said, proceed with caution, cheap can sometimes cost more in the long run twocents beer


That would be the asphalt based stuff. Some of the stuff you get from the home improvement stores are asphalt based. The asphalt breaks down around 125 degrees, which is too low for the interior of cars when the windows are rolled up, or the car is sitting in the sun in the summer. For at least a couple of years Eastwood sold some asphalt based isolation, I never heard how that worked out for the people that had bought it.
The good stuff is butte based. The NOICO stuff I posted about is Butte based, as is most of the stuff intended to be used in a automobile based project. Gene

Re: Floor pan sound deadener. [Re: poorboy] #2720544
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UPDATE!!
Got the Noico and started the install.
I sprayed the floor down with brake cleaner, wiped it down, and blow dried it thoroughly.
It’s a little time consuming, but if you take your time and install it carefully - which I’ve had to because I had my hip replaced about a month ago.....so I just take my time.
A couple of things that really helps is a good seam roller and sharp razors to trim it.
All the advice really helped a bunch everyone!
Now a true test would be to have the car built and running without it, and then install it for a true before and after.

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