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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head [Re: fast68plymouth] #2713270
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35-45-60-70 Blend 70 up to 60 Good for concave chambers like conventional BBC heads. 18 to 26 degree heads, Dart, Brodix ect ect.

40-45-62-72.5 Blend 72.5 up to 62. Works good for chambers that are concave like 15 degree heads.


After the blending, those become 3 angle valve jobs.

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With the victor, it’s worse than the LS head.
You have to transition from the seat angle to the basically zero degree chamber.
The only way you’re going to be able to gain any length on the top angle is sink to the valves.
And...... the steeper you make the top angle........ the more you need to sink the valve, if you want that length.

Lucky me...

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Thanks for all that info guys. Good to know going into this. Can't wait to get the verdict from Sanchez. I think it will be bitter sweet. Will see.

Re: A few question about the E MW victor head [Re: mopar dave] #2713298
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You know me, always happy to help overcomplicate a pretty cut-n-dry discussion.

Re: A few question about the E MW victor head [Re: BradH] #2713301
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Brad....... what head is that with the blended bowl and lapped seat?


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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head [Re: fast68plymouth] #2713303
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Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
Brad....... what head is that with the blended bowl and lapped seat?

The first Victor(s) I sent you to prep for me when they came out originally.

Re: A few question about the E MW victor head [Re: BradH] #2713308
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What did it flow like that?


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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head [Re: fast68plymouth] #2713315
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Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
What did it flow like that?

Here's the thread from 2006(!) that's been archived on the "Best of..." forum: https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/32250/some-bb-victor-stuff.html#Post32250

Re: A few question about the E MW victor head [Re: BradH] #2713326
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Aaahh yes...... the original Victor........
The really easy 330cfm std port head.

Those days are gone now....... well, those MP stage 7’s Mancini has should be the same....... while they last.

Might be able to get 330 with a TF240 even easier now though..... or at least as easily.


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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head [Re: fast68plymouth] #2713377
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Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
Aaahh yes...... the original Victor........
The really easy 330cfm std port head.

Those days are gone now....... well, those MP stage 7’s Mancini has should be the same....... while they last.

I didn't buy any of the Mancini clearance heads, considering what I have already.

But if I had, we know there's a solid 340+ in the Victor Gen 1 / Procomp clone ==> HERE

And, yes, Trick Flows make them a tough sell, regardless.

EDIT: My apology for derailing the original thread topic... whistling

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No apology needed here. I'm learning as I go with these heads.

Re: A few question about the E MW victor head [Re: mopar dave] #2713443
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I bought a set of those heads (not from Mancini) from a member on here 5+yrs ago that where ported all the way to the valve seats, not just at the first 1/2 inch into the intake ports like Edlebrock says they made them originally confused
I've had problems with the Hughes offset rocker arms( switch to Harland Sharps after that) as well as the pushrods rubbing on my 400 block with Isky Offset intake roller lifters, my message is I'm not real happy with these heads but I will continue to use them after freshening that motor this winter. I changed that motor out last winter and it has been on a engine stand since then, maybe I can fix the pushrod rubbing problem permanently by removing more material from the heads or using a intake rocker arm with more offset on them work wrench

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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head [Re: Cab_Burge] #2713604
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Cab - Even though Edelbrock sells their assembled heads with the box stating "Ready to bolt on", I think the BBM Victors should be labeled "Ready to f*ck with"... possibly with the addendum "Some assembly... and disassembly... and assembly.... and more disassembly...and more assembly required. Repeat as necessary."

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Gen 1 MW sized Victor, ootb...... tested in late 2008.
This head was cast as a full MW sized port. Not a std port head that was opened to MW size.

Lift——-in/ex
.100—- 67.4/52.7
.200—-141.3/109.2
.300—-212.5/156.7
.400—-259.2/191.8
.500—-289.9/209.4
.600—-318.7/218.4
.700—-336.0/223.1
.800—-348.3/224.3


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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head [Re: BradH] #2713653
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Originally Posted by BradH
Cab - Even though Edelbrock sells their assembled heads with the box stating "Ready to bolt on", I think the BBM Victors should be labeled "Ready to f*ck with"... possibly with the addendum "Some assembly... and disassembly... and assembly.... and more disassembly...and more assembly required. Repeat as necessary."



You are braver than me. I had one of the first sets of those heads from Edelbrock back when I was writing the BB Mopar book. After playing with those heads for a few weeks I sold them to someone who really wanted them. Those heads looked super cool but nothing seemed to fit quite right. I never did try to use a set and we've never seen an engine come into the shop with those heads on them.

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The flow numbers I posted from 2008 are from one of Andy’s heads.


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Originally Posted by AndyF
You are braver than me.

Remember, my Victors replaced my Stage VIs, which were pretty far from usable out of the box, too.

Wish list:
- Chapman Stage VI ports
- Victor-style extended intake runner flange that uses "regular" intakes for the respective block height
- Trick Flow chambers

Never gonna happen, so I gotta still "roll my own" for my dumba$$ street/strip junk.

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Originally Posted by BradH
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You are braver than me.

Remember, my Victors replaced my Stage VIs, which were pretty far from usable out of the box, too.

Wish list:
- Chapman Stage VI ports
- Victor-style extended intake runner flange that uses "regular" intakes for the respective block height
- Trick Flow chambers

Never gonna happen, so I gotta still "roll my own" for my dumba$$ street/strip junk.


My easy work around for all that is........ more cubes.
Then the bigger heads work just fine. smoke


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Those flow numbers are a little bit better than the Indy SR M.W. heads I had and not as good as the ported set of Indy 440-1 heads I got from Al Aquire shruggy
I didn't have these Eddy M.W. Victor heads flowed so who know what how good they are, I won't buy another set though down

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Originally Posted by AndyF
Originally Posted by BradH
Cab - Even though Edelbrock sells their assembled heads with the box stating "Ready to bolt on", I think the BBM Victors should be labeled "Ready to f*ck with"... possibly with the addendum "Some assembly... and disassembly... and assembly.... and more disassembly...and more assembly required. Repeat as necessary."



You are braver than me. I had one of the first sets of those heads from Edelbrock back when I was writing the BB Mopar book. After playing with those heads for a few weeks I sold them to someone who really wanted them. Those heads looked super cool but nothing seemed to fit quite right. I never did try to use a set and we've never seen an engine come into the shop with those heads on them.


Brad is 100% correct with his statement. These heads are a POS really and after having the opportunity/torture of working with them many times I really have to wonder what Edelbrock was thinking? On the flip side I probably know what makes them tick better than most but working for free is something I cannot do any more. These heads can and will make fantastic power (and more torque than competitors offerings) if thee: valve size,shape,type is changed, valve location is changed, chamber shape is changed, port is raised, rockers stands altered/changed etc... I could go on and on. Most don't have the wherewithal to pursue what I have just stated. J.Rob

p.s. I should market my best port carved into a Procomp knock off--it flows a whopping 370+cfm with a VERY small CSA. I should buy another casting and finish all eight ports on my CNC and test on the dyno. J.Rob


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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head [Re: RAMM] #2713884
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I have been following this thread and find it quite interesting. My 1st generation Victors were done by Roger Lechtenberg. The heads began life as a standard port 77929? Radar took them out to a MW port and port matched the Indy 440-3X to the heads. There was a nice performance gain over the MP 383-440 Stage VI street heads that was on my 512 RB. wave


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