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Re: Andy, your 470/270TF indy 440-3 results [Re: Wookie316] #2714469
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Their the best. I spoke with them last year about porting my intake. They have different stages of porting, $600, $1100 and$1600 or something like that. The guy I spoke with said best
thing I could do would be to trim the clover leaf out on the carb pad and add a 4 hole tapered. So I did. Thinking about sending back for some more work. Think it could use some good blending.

Re: Andy, your 470/270TF indy 440-3 results [Re: mopar dave] #2714487
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That looks nice and I found a used one for a low deck I may pick up soon to start collecting parts........


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Re: Andy, your 470/270TF indy 440-3 results [Re: Thumperdart] #2714488
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Think that's a good idea. Not easy to find.

Re: Andy, your 470/270TF indy 440-3 results [Re: mopar dave] #2715144
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Originally Posted by mopar dave
Their the best. I spoke with them last year about porting my intake. They have different stages of porting, $600, $1100 and$1600 or something like that. The guy I spoke with said best
thing I could do would be to trim the clover leaf out on the carb pad and add a 4 hole tapered. So I did. Thinking about sending back for some more work. Think it could use some good blending.

I don't think I saw a link to Andy's Wilson Indy 400-3 intake thread posted on here: https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2383960/400-3-indy-intake.html

Not sure if that's the $1G or the $1G++ work, but the pics he posted show a LOT more work than "some good blending". If you decide to have Wilson work on your intake, I'd ask them about what they can do to help improve intake manifold runner velocity when the head runner itself may be "big". I'm sure they can downsize the runners to improve how the manifold works w/ the heads, since I'd believe that getting the air-fuel mixture speed up before it reaches the head could help.

Of course, it's always easy to spend someone else's $$$...

Re: Andy, your 470/270TF indy 440-3 results [Re: BradH] #2715164
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I called them yesterday. It's not inexpensive by any means. $1600 for competition port job. They sent me a form to fill out and send. Will get a more accurate price when they call me.

Re: Andy, your 470/270TF indy 440-3 results [Re: mopar dave] #2715176
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I feel pretty confident I could get over 700+hp out of a 511 with ported MW Victors and an Indy 400-3......... without having to spend $1600 on manifold porting.


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Re: Andy, your 470/270TF indy 440-3 results [Re: fast68plymouth] #2715192
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Yeah, 700 hp shouldn't be a problem with a MW head, 511 inches, pump gas compression and a solid roller cam. I think you would need some intake porting as well as some other "cleanup" to hit the 800 hp mark though.

Re: Andy, your 470/270TF indy 440-3 results [Re: fast68plymouth] #2715193
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Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
I feel pretty confident I could get over 700+hp out of a 511 with ported MW Victors and an Indy 400-3......... without having to spend $1600 on manifold porting.


^^^^^^^^^ This would be a great choice! Send it to Dwayne! He will take care of you! wave


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Re: Andy, your 470/270TF indy 440-3 results [Re: tboomer] #2715200
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Originally Posted by tboomer
Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
I feel pretty confident I could get over 700+hp out of a 511 with ported MW Victors and an Indy 400-3......... without having to spend $1600 on manifold porting.


^^^^^^^^^ This would be a great choice! Send it to Dwayne! He will take care of you! wave


Thanks for the vote of confidence Ted, but that’s not really what I was getting at.
I actually don’t like porting intake manifolds........ so about all I ever do is a little port matching and deburring of the plenum.

I’m not saying the full Wilson job won’t make power, I just dont think it’s necessary to reach the power level Dave says he trying to achieve.


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Re: Andy, your 470/270TF indy 440-3 results [Re: fast68plymouth] #2715208
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No worry here. I dont have that kind of money to spend on intake porting. I think Hughes offers a comp port job on intakes for about $500. I could blend the intake ports into the plenum myself and save a bunch. Gonna concentrate my money on the heads for now. Missed the call from Wilson's today. I will see what the minimum charge is thou

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Dwayne....I would like to see you do Dave's engine. I think you could save him some money without the hassle he may go thru. wrench


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Re: Andy, your 470/270TF indy 440-3 results [Re: mopar dave] #2715232
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Originally Posted by mopar dave
No worry here. I dont have that kind of money to spend on intake porting. I think Hughes offers a comp port job on intakes for about $500. I could blend the intake ports into the plenum myself and save a bunch. Gonna concentrate my money on the heads for now. Missed the call from Wilson's today. I will see what the minimum charge is thou



I thought you already did a bunch of grinding on your Intake, this is your picture

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Re: Andy, your 470/270TF indy 440-3 results [Re: CSK] #2715243
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That plenum seems freaking huge. eek

What's an out-of-the-box one look like?

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Yeah, it is on the large side. That's what I ended up with after removing all of the clover leaf. I use a Wilson 4 hole taper spacer on top. I think it could still use the roof of the ports blended into that plenum.

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The before pic was at the top of the post. Here's another Andy had done.

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Re: Andy, your 470/270TF indy 440-3 results [Re: mopar dave] #2715278
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451RB, 340cfm MW SR’s, .650 lift roller with 1.5’s, 13:1, 1050 carb.

440-3 with a mild gasket match and some very minor plenum blending(basically just deburred the runner dividers).

712hp@7200.


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Re: Andy, your 470/270TF indy 440-3 results [Re: fast68plymouth] #2715286
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Nice combo. 13:1 and a solid roller does alot for your combo imo. Still wish I would have built a 470.

Re: Andy, your 470/270TF indy 440-3 results [Re: BradH] #2715299
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Here's Dragula's Indy

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Re: Andy, your 470/270TF indy 440-3 results [Re: tboomer] #2715353
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I don't believe there is anything wrong with the engine it self. Its whats on top that's the problem imo. Some compression and a roller with a good intake would fix it right up. Before I spent that kind of money on port work, which I would never, I would do it myself. I have all the tools. I will talk with Wilsons today and get their take on what needs to be done. I think i'll cut those roofs back myself its that what they suggest. I know there are a few that don't think so, but I believe the compression boost is going to make quite a difference in performance. Too many proven combos just like mine going fast, but they all have more compression and a roller. 12.5-13:1 should be plenty. If I had E85 in my area I would push it further.
If the intake rears its ugly head as a problem, I might just move on to the T ram set up at that point. Dwayne just might end up with these heads, will see. First things first, I have a plan.

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Do you have a budget for modifying or replacing your current intake?

I know Wilson is top of the heap, but someone like Chad Speier (Speier Racing Heads) could likely do mods like add runner divider extensions and maybe some other stuff he thinks would help for a good bit less (I a$$ume) than Wilson. ==> http://speierracingheads.com/hand-burr-manifolds.html

Just another unsolicited idea from the peanut gallery... whistling

P.S. Gotta chuckle to myself when Dwayne admits publically that he doesn't like porting intakes. biggrin

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