Budget 5.7 Eagle build
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Thought id post my build on here for others to see
Low mile 2014 5.7 Eagle from a JGC Bought the engine in pieces Torque plate honed New cam bearings New rings New timing chain with updated guide Heads decked and sand rolled valve seats into port with basic valve job Apache valve springs Inertia cam 209/216@ .050 784AD HC lifters Std length .080 pushrods 6.4 intake manifold and injectors Will be run by my own standalone system i built and will be self tuning with HP tuners
727 with CRT MRVB 4500 8" stall
9" 4.88 gears
All in a 3600lb Aussie A body charger
Hoping for under 11 99
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Re: Budget 5.7 Eagle build
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Look forward to the results , the lil 5.7 should like those 4.88's .
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Re: Budget 5.7 Eagle build
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A friendly suggestion while you have it apart is to consider replacing the crankshaft with a forged 6.1 crank or aftermarket crank. The forged 6.4 crankshaft would also probably work, but I would double check. It would be a different stroke while the 6.1 is the same. The stock rods and pistons are the weakest part of the rotating assembly. If you can, I would replace the stock powered metal rods and fragile pistons with forged high quality components. Just my 2 cents. He'll be fine with the stock 14 parts they are much better then the pre Eagle stuff, I've seen guys put 250shot of NOS to the newer short blocks plus there are afew guys(one post here ) that are boosting the newer eagles to 12lbs no issues unlike the pre Eagles which seem to explode @ 10lbs.When they redesigned the 5.7 they moved the top piston ring down and opened up the top gap , don't know the exact amounts .
1963 Thunderbolt 496FE 10.80 (still a work in progress) 1968 Mustang slow a$$ 428 FE 1971 Boss 351 Mustang 11.20@115mph 1993 Lightning 10.61 @ 129mph 408Ci A3 headed NA 1996 Viper GTS 2001 Lightning 8.99 @ 155MPH 5.4 Mod Motor 2009 Ram 9.65@144MPH 463CI G3 NA 2010 Challenger 9.91 @ 139MPH 408CI G3ci NA 2019 F150 (local dealer's Lightning package) ..11.90s
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Re: Budget 5.7 Eagle build
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Thought id post my build on here for others to see
Low mile 2014 5.7 Eagle from a JGC Bought the engine in pieces Torque plate honed New cam bearings New rings New timing chain with updated guide Heads decked and sand rolled valve seats into port with basic valve job Apache valve springs Inertia cam 209/216@ .050 784AD HC lifters Std length .080 pushrods 6.4 intake manifold and injectors Will be run by my own standalone system i built and will be self tuning with HP tuners
727 with CRT MRVB 4500 8" stall
9" 4.88 gears
All in a 3600lb Aussie A body charger
Hoping for under 11 99
Looking forward to seeing how it runs, but I'm curious why that Cam ? it's 556 lift and a 112 lsa ,, should be a good torque cam but with 4500 converter I would think you are giving up some potential .I can tell you from 1st hand experience the SRT NON-Mds cam is worth about 20 Hp over that Inertia VVT cam. Inertia's 212/222 Duration Camshaft (112 LSA) gives the SRT cam a run for it's money, I swapped out my 392cam and now running their 224/232 @ 50 (.556 lift) in my 09 Ram now, picked up 15hp and 20Tq similar combo except I have a518 OD trans (and A lot of Check engine lights now) and out weigh you by 1000lbs I think inertia limits their cam Eagle Cam lifts to .556 because of P to V clearance, would love to see what the 224/232 @50 would do with .574/540 lift
1963 Thunderbolt 496FE 10.80 (still a work in progress) 1968 Mustang slow a$$ 428 FE 1971 Boss 351 Mustang 11.20@115mph 1993 Lightning 10.61 @ 129mph 408Ci A3 headed NA 1996 Viper GTS 2001 Lightning 8.99 @ 155MPH 5.4 Mod Motor 2009 Ram 9.65@144MPH 463CI G3 NA 2010 Challenger 9.91 @ 139MPH 408CI G3ci NA 2019 F150 (local dealer's Lightning package) ..11.90s
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Re: Budget 5.7 Eagle build
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10/05/19 03:28 PM
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I would spend $68 on a factory 6.4 cam and save the near $1000 on the aftermarket cam. You did say this is a budget build.
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Re: Budget 5.7 Eagle build
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Thought id post my build on here for others to see
Low mile 2014 5.7 Eagle from a JGC Bought the engine in pieces Torque plate honed New cam bearings New rings New timing chain with updated guide Heads decked and sand rolled valve seats into port with basic valve job Apache valve springs Inertia cam 209/216@ .050 784AD HC lifters Std length .080 pushrods 6.4 intake manifold and injectors Will be run by my own standalone system i built and will be self tuning with HP tuners
727 with CRT MRVB 4500 8" stall
9" 4.88 gears
All in a 3600lb Aussie A body charger
Hoping for under 11 99
Looking forward to seeing how it runs, but I'm curious why that Cam ? it's 556 lift and a 112 lsa ,, should be a good torque cam but with 4500 converter I would think you are giving up some potential .I can tell you from 1st hand experience the SRT NON-Mds cam is worth about 20 Hp over that Inertia VVT cam. Inertia's 212/222 Duration Camshaft (112 LSA) gives the SRT cam a run for it's money, I swapped out my 392cam and now running their 224/232 @ 50 (.556 lift) in my 09 Ram now, picked up 15hp and 20Tq similar combo except I have a518 OD trans (and A lot of Check engine lights now) and out weigh you by 1000lbs I think inertia limits their cam Eagle Cam lifts to .556 because of P to V clearance, would love to see what the 224/232 @50 would do with .574/540 lift I picked up the cam used for a quarter of its new price with limiter and a few other pieces. I asked Jay Greene about this cam vs a SRT NON-MDS cam (I have one on the shelf) and he said the inertia cam although smaller on paper will make more power. I went with his advice as he's cammed dozens upon dozens of these 5.7's and tuned hundreds of cars Its got a 6.4 intake manifold so it should carry the power into the rpm a little but the converter is almost brand new and left over from the last engine, i didnt want to spend to reset it but it should flash to just past peak torque.
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Re: Budget 5.7 Eagle build
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I would spend $68 on a factory 6.4 cam and save the near $1000 on the aftermarket cam. You did say this is a budget build. I didnt pay much more than that for this cam and wont have to worry about valvetrain harmonics from the MDS lobes New cams are sub $500 from Comp now
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Re: Budget 5.7 Eagle build
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10/08/19 07:00 AM
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Thought id post my build on here for others to see
Low mile 2014 5.7 Eagle from a JGC Bought the engine in pieces Torque plate honed New cam bearings New rings New timing chain with updated guide Heads decked and sand rolled valve seats into port with basic valve job Apache valve springs Inertia cam 209/216@ .050 784AD HC lifters Std length .080 pushrods 6.4 intake manifold and injectors Will be run by my own standalone system i built and will be self tuning with HP tuners
727 with CRT MRVB 4500 8" stall
9" 4.88 gears
All in a 3600lb Aussie A body charger
Hoping for under 11 99
Looking forward to seeing how it runs, but I'm curious why that Cam ? it's 556 lift and a 112 lsa ,, should be a good torque cam but with 4500 converter I would think you are giving up some potential .I can tell you from 1st hand experience the SRT NON-Mds cam is worth about 20 Hp over that Inertia VVT cam. Inertia's 212/222 Duration Camshaft (112 LSA) gives the SRT cam a run for it's money, I swapped out my 392cam and now running their 224/232 @ 50 (.556 lift) in my 09 Ram now, picked up 15hp and 20Tq similar combo except I have a518 OD trans (and A lot of Check engine lights now) and out weigh you by 1000lbs I think inertia limits their cam Eagle Cam lifts to .556 because of P to V clearance, would love to see what the 224/232 @50 would do with .574/540 lift I picked up the cam used for a quarter of its new price with limiter and a few other pieces. I asked Jay Greene about this cam vs a SRT NON-MDS cam (I have one on the shelf) and he said the inertia cam although smaller on paper will make more power. I went with his advice as he's cammed dozens upon dozens of these 5.7's and tuned hundreds of cars Its got a 6.4 intake manifold so it should carry the power into the rpm a little but the converter is almost brand new and left over from the last engine, i didnt want to spend to reset it but it should flash to just past peak torque. at that price it's worth the try...... with the 6.4 Intake you can take advantage of the variable runners to help out that 4500 converter.
1963 Thunderbolt 496FE 10.80 (still a work in progress) 1968 Mustang slow a$$ 428 FE 1971 Boss 351 Mustang 11.20@115mph 1993 Lightning 10.61 @ 129mph 408Ci A3 headed NA 1996 Viper GTS 2001 Lightning 8.99 @ 155MPH 5.4 Mod Motor 2009 Ram 9.65@144MPH 463CI G3 NA 2010 Challenger 9.91 @ 139MPH 408CI G3ci NA 2019 F150 (local dealer's Lightning package) ..11.90s
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Re: Budget 5.7 Eagle build
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I recently saw one of those smaller than 392 "JG" cams installed and dyno'd in a 5.7 charger and it didn't make more power than a stock 392 cam fyi. Owner was kicking himself for not just going 392 cam.... I've seen a few of those JG Cams get their a$$ handed to them also. Now that Comp's lowered their price on the VVT cams it'll be interesting to see what the market follows with.
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Re: Budget 5.7 Eagle build
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I recently saw one of those smaller than 392 "JG" cams installed and dyno'd in a 5.7 charger and it didn't make more power than a stock 392 cam fyi. Owner was kicking himself for not just going 392 cam.... I've seen a few of those JG Cams get their a$$ handed to them also. Now that Comp's lowered their price on the VVT cams it'll be interesting to see what the market follows with. Which is why he got his lightly used and cheap lol
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Re: Budget 5.7 Eagle build
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I only had the advice of Jay to work with on whether the 209/216 Inertia/Crower would make more power than a non-MDS 6.4 SRT cam. Jay told me the inertia would make more power. He made $$0 from the advice so i took it as face value as genuine advice. Time will tell i guess
Ive seen quite a few people have terrible results with aftermarket cams but they basically all came.down to tuning. Most tuners seem to have no idea about VVT or Dodges nuaral network and simply switch both them off. A buddies cam swapped 300 picked up 65whp switching from 1 tuner to another with a 6.4 with a MMX nsr cam
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Re: Budget 5.7 Eagle build
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I only had the advice of Jay to work with on whether the 209/216 Inertia/Crower would make more power than a non-MDS 6.4 SRT cam. Jay told me the inertia would make more power. He made $$0 from the advice so i took it as face value as genuine advice. Time will tell i guess
Ive seen quite a few people have terrible results with aftermarket cams but they basically all came.down to tuning. Most tuners seem to have no idea about VVT or Dodges nuaral network and simply switch both them off. A buddies cam swapped 300 picked up 65whp switching from 1 tuner to another with a 6.4 with a MMX nsr cam The VVT trips a lot of people up, Jay has good handle on it, there are a few guys on HP's forum who also have good handle on it. there's a good bit of power there if you can use it right.
1963 Thunderbolt 496FE 10.80 (still a work in progress) 1968 Mustang slow a$$ 428 FE 1971 Boss 351 Mustang 11.20@115mph 1993 Lightning 10.61 @ 129mph 408Ci A3 headed NA 1996 Viper GTS 2001 Lightning 8.99 @ 155MPH 5.4 Mod Motor 2009 Ram 9.65@144MPH 463CI G3 NA 2010 Challenger 9.91 @ 139MPH 408CI G3ci NA 2019 F150 (local dealer's Lightning package) ..11.90s
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Re: Budget 5.7 Eagle build
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I would spend $68 on a factory 6.4 cam and save the near $1000 on the aftermarket cam. You did say this is a budget build. Would you happen to have the 6.4 cam part number?
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Re: Budget 5.7 Eagle build
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Non MDS manual trans cam 05037379BC.
Intake Opens (BTDC) 36.0° Closes (ATDC) 250.0° Duration 286.0° Exhaust Opens (BTDC) 278° Closes (ATDC) 10° Duration 288.0° Valve Overlap 46°
MDS automatic trans cam 05038419AB
Very slightly different specs
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Re: Budget 5.7 Eagle build
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Update on the cheap cams, apparently chrysler decided we should not get a good deal on cams anymore, I just called and all the part numbers he looked up for 6.4 cams are $300 including the numbers I put up.
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Re: Budget 5.7 Eagle build
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I was very tempted to buy about 20 of them because I had this bad feeling this was going to happen, that would have been a sweet return on my investment. BASS TIRDS!!!
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